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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 9279118" data-attributes="member: 177">To be perfectly clear - we are not talking about &quot;AI&quot; in some general, potential, possible future or science fiction sense.&nbsp; We are talking about the technology that is present today, spoken about as &quot;generative AI&quot;.A generative AI system does have what we might call a unique internal state, but that state fails to be analogous to the human brain and mind in many ways.&nbsp; Some that are salient are...1) A generative AI's internal state only changes through training.&nbsp; The AI, once trained, is static.&nbsp; It does not continue to take in information and change its state.&nbsp; It does not continue to &quot;live&quot;.2) A generative AI is not able to take in general world information - the thing is set up to take in information of a specific type and format - the AI used to generate visual art cannot process text, and the one that processes text can't take in information about high energy subatomic particle interactions. And the prompts users type in is not, in general, the form of data used to train the AI.3) A generative AI does not have biological imperatives or instincts, hormones, or allergies, or anything else that impacts its operation other than its fixed state.&nbsp; The generative AI didn't sleep badly last night, or have a really fun date planned for tomorrow.No, it isn't &quot;can't because it can't&quot;.&nbsp; It is &quot;can't because it isn't designed to do so&quot;.&nbsp; It is like saying a horse cart can't go uphill on its own without a horse - it has no way to do so, because none has been built in.&nbsp; What you are talking about is outside the design parameters of the current technology.Oh, the implementation probably does matter, a lot.&nbsp; The operation of the neural network of a generative AI is deterministic, because the action of all its parts is deterministic, while the action of your brain, as far as we can tell, is not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 9279118, member: 177"] To be perfectly clear - we are not talking about "AI" in some general, potential, possible future or science fiction sense. We are talking about [I]the technology that is present today[/I], spoken about as "generative AI". A generative AI system does have what we might call a unique internal state, but that state fails to be analogous to the human brain and mind in many ways. Some that are salient are... 1) A generative AI's internal state only changes through training. The AI, once trained, is static. It does not continue to take in information and change its state. It does not continue to "live". 2) A generative AI is not able to take in [I]general[/I] world information - the thing is set up to take in information of a specific type and format - the AI used to generate visual art cannot process text, and the one that processes text can't take in information about high energy subatomic particle interactions. And the prompts users type in is not, in general, the form of data used to train the AI. 3) A generative AI does not have biological imperatives or instincts, hormones, or allergies, or anything else that impacts its operation other than its fixed state. The generative AI didn't sleep badly last night, or have a really fun date planned for tomorrow. No, it isn't "can't because it can't". It is "can't because it [I]isn't designed to do so[/I]". It is like saying a horse cart can't go uphill on its own without a horse - it has no way to do so, because none has been built in. What you are talking about is outside the design parameters of the current technology. Oh, the implementation probably does matter, a lot. The operation of the neural network of a generative AI is deterministic, because the action of all its parts is deterministic, while the action of your brain, as far as we can tell, is not. [/QUOTE]

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