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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 3262546" data-attributes="member: 177">"By any stretch" is a pretty tall order.  You wanna make room for other opinions in there, or will you out of hand dismiss all stretches presented to you?  You see, to me, it seems like a good long stretch, but the stretch is there.  The thread of developing elements, design, and style from AD&D, to Second Edition AD&D to 3e is pretty darned clear, to me.  So I say your claim is pretty weak.  You might try, "It doesn't feel like D&D to me".  People will accept that without question. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />    Again with the "any".  The more absolute you get, the more people will struggle against the iron grip of your statements as fact <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />See above - it is effectively the 3rd edition of the Advanced game, in terms of actual rules-revamping.  But as a marketing point, labelling it as "Advanced" is probably a barrier to purchase.  Don't laden good faith discussion with other posters with the burden of what marketing people figured was best for sales, hm?  That isn't our fault, so don't hold it against us.</blockquote>

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