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<blockquote data-quote="teitan" data-source="post: 3264780" data-attributes="member: 3457"><p>Except it IS D&D and there is nothing that can be done about it. WOTC owns the property and they have the right to do what they want with it. It is D&D, just not the D&D you choose to play. To keep on with this "its not D&D" is ridiculous and like saying the new Star Wars movies aren't Star Wars just because you might not have enjoyed them. 3e clarified and cleaned up a LOT of problems in D&D like skills which had how many different mechanics? Percentiles and different roll under variations. Its snobbish. </p><p></p><p>I'm a huge fan of 1e, heck, I was a grognard. I hated 2e and only started playing it as 1e books became more and more scarce in my area. The changes to the system like Priests I think needlessly complicated the game. The only change I liked was customizable skill systems for Thieves and Morale for monsters, the rest of the changes were die alterations that changed little in the final execution of the rules. 3e codified the skills to a more cohesive system, simplified and clarified the multiclassing system so it made more sense, eliminated racial level limits few people used. </p><p></p><p>I think a lot of the people who complain about 3e and WOTC forget how BAD TSR really was to its fans. WOTC listens to the fans and tries to produce what fans want. I'm sorry they aren't going to support the system of choice for the grognards but they can do that now with 1e and Basic. I imagine someone will use OSRIC to reproduce the 2e experience soon and that will be opened up. But it just makes you all seem like sour grapes when you complain about 3e and call it TETSNBN or D20 Fantasy. From reading posts on Dragonsfoot it seems to me like more than half are basing their opinions on what they have heard and/ lack of experience with the system. The other half just seem to really like the old stuff or think Gary has some hate on for 3e, which isn't the case, it just isn't his system of choice. Neither is AD&D.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="teitan, post: 3264780, member: 3457"] Except it IS D&D and there is nothing that can be done about it. WOTC owns the property and they have the right to do what they want with it. It is D&D, just not the D&D you choose to play. To keep on with this "its not D&D" is ridiculous and like saying the new Star Wars movies aren't Star Wars just because you might not have enjoyed them. 3e clarified and cleaned up a LOT of problems in D&D like skills which had how many different mechanics? Percentiles and different roll under variations. Its snobbish. I'm a huge fan of 1e, heck, I was a grognard. I hated 2e and only started playing it as 1e books became more and more scarce in my area. The changes to the system like Priests I think needlessly complicated the game. The only change I liked was customizable skill systems for Thieves and Morale for monsters, the rest of the changes were die alterations that changed little in the final execution of the rules. 3e codified the skills to a more cohesive system, simplified and clarified the multiclassing system so it made more sense, eliminated racial level limits few people used. I think a lot of the people who complain about 3e and WOTC forget how BAD TSR really was to its fans. WOTC listens to the fans and tries to produce what fans want. I'm sorry they aren't going to support the system of choice for the grognards but they can do that now with 1e and Basic. I imagine someone will use OSRIC to reproduce the 2e experience soon and that will be opened up. But it just makes you all seem like sour grapes when you complain about 3e and call it TETSNBN or D20 Fantasy. From reading posts on Dragonsfoot it seems to me like more than half are basing their opinions on what they have heard and/ lack of experience with the system. The other half just seem to really like the old stuff or think Gary has some hate on for 3e, which isn't the case, it just isn't his system of choice. Neither is AD&D. [/QUOTE]
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