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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Magus Coeruleus" data-source="post: 1875620" data-attributes="member: 1704">Hey there,I don't get the logic behind the prerequisites for the Sudden metamagic feats in Complete Arcane.The Sudden feats don't raise the spell level, and at first it seemed to me that it used a prerequisite of one or more metamagic feats as a way of making the character "pay" to get a Sudden feat that applies to a better metamagic effect.  This is not consistently the case, however.  Below is the list of the core metamagic feats and the number of spell levels by which they raise a spell's slot when they are applied to it.Empower: +2Enlarge: +1Extend: +1Heighten: +1 per +1 to caster levelMaximize: +3Quicken: +4Silent: +1Still: +1Widen: +3Okay, now here are the prereqs for those Sudden feats:Sudden Empower: Prereq: Any metamagic featSudden Extend: No prereqSudden Maximize: Prereq: Any metamagic featSudden Quicken: Prereqs: Quicken Spell, Sudden Empower, Sudden Extend, Sudden Maximize, Sudden Silent, Sudden StillSudden Silent: No prereqSudden Still: No prereqSudden Widen: No prereqSo Sudden Extend, Silent, and Still have no prereqs, which may correspond to the core feat raising spell level by 1.  Sudden Empower and Maximize require one other metamagic feat as a prerequisite, which may correspond to the core feat raising spell level by 2 and 3, respectively.  But why does Sudden Widen, which corresponds to a feat that raises spell level by 3, have no prerequisite?I don't get this.  Also, just an opinion: I think the prereqs for Sudden Quicken are pretty silly; I mean, the core Quicken Spell, sure, and other feats, fine, but every Sudden feat except Sudden Widen?  It just means you have a be a "Sudden Master" to get this.  I could get into some alternatives, but that's not the point of my post, so sorry for the digression.Anyway, does someone see a pattern to these Sudden prereqs that I'm missing?  How is Sudden Widen not a vastly better choice that any of the other Sudden feats that have no prerequisites?</blockquote>

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