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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4860875" data-attributes="member: 35909">I always thought most of the Sudden feats were pathetically weak, and Sudden Quicken was nigh-unobtainable.&nbsp; I've been thinking of doing a system of getting the feat's benefit a number of times per day equal to 5 - level adjustment.&nbsp; Which would yield:Extend, Still, Silent, Enlarge: 4/dayEmpower: 3/dayMaximize, Widen: 2/dayQuicken: 1/dayMaybe make widen 3/day simply because it really isn't as good as its +3 level adjustment would suggest.&nbsp; And if you're worried about a PC, or (IMHO the more likely situation) a NPC then going nova and using up every single sudden usage in one combat...limit it to once/combat for any given sudden feat.&nbsp; If you regularly do less than 4 encounters in a day (*raises hand* guilty!), it would obviously cut into the advantages of the lower sudden feats.If you wanted to make Sudden versions of +0 metamgic feats, like Energy Substitution, it would be 5/day.&nbsp; Maybe too much, I don't know.&nbsp; I've seldom had a character use Energy Sub. more than 5 times in a day.I think sudden quicken should have much less feat requirements, though at least 2 or 3, including Quicken Spell, because even once/day a free quicken is really strong.&nbsp; I'd also put in some kind of CL requirement or some other way to limit how early it can be obtained.&nbsp; No one bothers to quicken cantrips...I don't think it'd be fair to let sudden quicken be available any earlier than CL 9 (when you could first quicen a level 1 spell in the case of most casters) if not later.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4860875, member: 35909"] I always thought most of the Sudden feats were pathetically weak, and Sudden Quicken was nigh-unobtainable. I've been thinking of doing a system of getting the feat's benefit a number of times per day equal to 5 - level adjustment. Which would yield: Extend, Still, Silent, Enlarge: 4/day Empower: 3/day Maximize, Widen: 2/day Quicken: 1/day Maybe make widen 3/day simply because it really isn't as good as its +3 level adjustment would suggest. And if you're worried about a PC, or (IMHO the more likely situation) a NPC then going nova and using up every single sudden usage in one combat...limit it to once/combat for any given sudden feat. If you regularly do less than 4 encounters in a day (*raises hand* guilty!), it would obviously cut into the advantages of the lower sudden feats. If you wanted to make Sudden versions of +0 metamgic feats, like Energy Substitution, it would be 5/day. Maybe too much, I don't know. I've seldom had a character use Energy Sub. more than 5 times in a day. I think sudden quicken should have much less feat requirements, though at least 2 or 3, including Quicken Spell, because even once/day a free quicken is really strong. I'd also put in some kind of CL requirement or some other way to limit how early it can be obtained. No one bothers to quicken cantrips...I don't think it'd be fair to let sudden quicken be available any earlier than CL 9 (when you could first quicen a level 1 spell in the case of most casters) if not later. [/QUOTE]

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