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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jcayer" data-source="post: 5246563" data-attributes="member: 76960">My suggestion is don't copy anything here, sure, use it for inspiration, but look at how your players fight.Mine love to pull things into melee as the fighter, rogue, and warlord have minimal range.  They love walls of fire to control the field and a lot of burst/blast powers, that kind of stuff.My most recent encounter took a lot of that away and it was HARD.  2nd floor of a ruined temple, with only partial remnants of a floor, they couldn't move easily, and neither could the creatures.  I plopped 2 soldiers right in front of them to tie them up, and then put a couple artillery monsters, on opposite sides of the room, at 12 squares away.  Most of their range spells are 10.  Burst and blast was limited and the walls of fire were ineffective since the monsters were resistant to them.Finally, I put the BBEG at the far side of the room on a balcony and he mocked them the whole time.It took 2 hours to complete, my guys had to go WAY outside their comfort zone and throw most of their usual tactics out the window.  Hell, the fighter had to use second wind since the cleric was too far away at one point...that never happens.As an aside, when the BBEG was slain, he turned to dust and then swirled into a portal leading to his Master's domain.  They took the bait and while not as creative as the encounter above, it was a massive slugfest with 2 of them going unconscious.  They never expected a followup encounter.So figure out what they do, and don't let them do it, or limit its effectiveness.</blockquote>

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