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<blockquote data-quote="Shiroiken" data-source="post: 8303773" data-attributes="member: 6775477">While I've had quite a few bad players over the decades (and sadly been one myself), there's one guy who stands out above the rest. He took the DM vs player to the extreme, feeling that his job as a player was to ruin the DMs plot as much as possible. He'd regularly trash plot hooks to the other players, trying to force the DM to improvise the session. If our job was to protect an NPC, he'd try to get them killed (even poisoning one in his sleep). At one point in a 4E game, we found the magic sword we'd quested for about 3 months, then immediately disenchanted it into the magic dust used to create magic items, because he correctly assumed the sword would lead to the next part of the campaign. While one DM (his best friend) kept putting up with it, the rest of our DMs eventually told him to take a hike.Interesting. When I was young, one group did a lot of the &quot;gay jokes&quot; with each other, but we never did one guy in the group. For whatever reason, it just never happened. After a couple years, he came out to us as actually being gay, and had been since before he knew us! He never took offense at our jokes, because he knew they were very common at the time (the 90s), and found several of them quite funny. Part of me thinks the reason we never did the jokes with him was that we subconsciously suspected, but that's probably just wishful thinking on my part.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shiroiken, post: 8303773, member: 6775477"] While I've had quite a few bad players over the decades (and sadly been one myself), there's one guy who stands out above the rest. He took the DM vs player to the extreme, feeling that his job as a player was to ruin the DMs plot as much as possible. He'd regularly trash plot hooks to the other players, trying to force the DM to improvise the session. If our job was to protect an NPC, he'd try to get them killed (even poisoning one in his sleep). At one point in a 4E game, we found the magic sword we'd quested for about 3 months, then immediately disenchanted it into the magic dust used to create magic items, because he correctly assumed the sword would lead to the next part of the campaign. While one DM (his best friend) kept putting up with it, the rest of our DMs eventually told him to take a hike. Interesting. When I was young, one group did a lot of the "gay jokes" with each other, but we never did one guy in the group. For whatever reason, it just never happened. After a couple years, he came out to us as actually being gay, and had been since before he knew us! He never took offense at our jokes, because he knew they were very common at the time (the 90s), and found several of them quite funny. Part of me thinks the reason we never did the jokes with him was that we subconsciously suspected, but that's probably just wishful thinking on my part. [/QUOTE]

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