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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 1253392" data-attributes="member: 172">BFG pointed this thread out, and I feel compelled to respond. I'm not about telling you what to like, but on an objective basis, this sounds like someone who has labored under a DM who executed the experience poorly vice anything inherent about planar gaming.If the DM is sending you to five planes in a week and you are not familiar with them or he meant to invoke them in more than a "passing through" sense, then it seems to me that this is nothing inherent about the nature of planar games, but rather, the DM is getting a little too excited about using some planar resource he has found. This is a common syndrom among some DMs who are a little too eager to use as much new source material as they can, and is in no way limited to the planes.I immediately suspect any gaming argument that calls something a crutch. Gaming is a leisure activity. Anything that makes the game easier is usually a good thing. Applying denigrating titles like "crutch" is rarely appropriate.Again, this reflects on the DM and/or your tastes on what is "dumb."It can be a convenient venue to allow logical incorporation of good ideas as well.I don't see this as being the case, at least using Planescape as a reference. Sure, there is less "world/universe" saving, but for some, that is a refreshing change of pace. Saving the world can get old.Citing PS and other adventures, I think there are several examples of adventures in which the PC's actions are important:[spoiler]In Dead Gods (for Planescape), the PCs struggle to stop the ressurection of a deity who is killing other deities.In Tales of the Infinite Staircase (for Planescape), the players try to defuse the riddle of a malignancy that is spreading across the universe.In For Duty and Deity (for FR), the players quest to save a goddess from a demon lord who plans on pulling the realms into his own plane.[/spoiler]That's some pretty significant stuff, I think.Again, I can't help but feel like you are speaking about a specific DM you had a bad experience with.Waitaminnit. Weren't you just complaining about the insignificance of PCs in planar gaming?That said, there is nothing that requires multiversal calamaties in planar gaming.In short, I feel like this is a complaint about a bad gaming experience you had, nothing that is general or compulsory about planar adventures.</blockquote>

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