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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9029590" data-attributes="member: 18">Specifically, I think there was a bunch of low-quality product that TSR put out that they didn't need to, that didn't result in sales, and that contributed to ending TSR's life several years before it would otherwise have happened. Not least Dragon Dice. Some of it was actively perverse, like the second edition of Dark Sun, which flatly would have done better if it was just the first edition done in cheaper materials (I presume that was part of the reason it existed, as that cool flipbook and stuff can't have been cheap), rather than the ugly (no Brom!), badly-written, unnecessarily meta-plot-changed thing we got.I know this may be heresy, but I don't think that WotC put out many, perhaps not any great sourcebooks except Eberron in 3E/3.5E (open to being persuaded otherwise). I won't argue the rules quality (I think a new edition would have happened in 2000 regardless of whether TSR lived), but I don't think WotC really started making good sourcebooks until 4E, and even in 5E, it's been spotty, with some great ones (including Theros) and some really &quot;meh&quot; ones (SCAG), and others which were conceptually strong but just ridiculously under-paged (VRGtR and Spelljammer).So my position is if TSR had been more sensible and lived even, say, 5 years longer, even putting out stuff less wildly, the fact that they were keen on new settings (something WotC flatly is not) would have got us at least 1-2 more new settings and probably cool ones, and probably some cooler sourcebooks too.I think the best we can say is maybe TSR are learning from their mistakes? Though maybe not as it sounds like the page count will ALSO be higher than Planescape!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9029590, member: 18"] Specifically, I think there was a bunch of low-quality product that TSR put out that they didn't need to, that didn't result in sales, and that contributed to ending TSR's life several years before it would otherwise have happened. Not least Dragon Dice. Some of it was actively perverse, like the second edition of Dark Sun, which flatly would have done better if it was just the first edition done in cheaper materials (I presume that was part of the reason it existed, as that cool flipbook and stuff can't have been cheap), rather than the ugly (no Brom!), badly-written, unnecessarily meta-plot-changed thing we got. I know this may be heresy, but I don't think that WotC put out many, perhaps not any great sourcebooks except Eberron in 3E/3.5E (open to being persuaded otherwise). I won't argue the rules quality (I think a new edition would have happened in 2000 regardless of whether TSR lived), but I don't think WotC really started making good sourcebooks until 4E, and even in 5E, it's been spotty, with some great ones (including Theros) and some really "meh" ones (SCAG), and others which were conceptually strong but just ridiculously under-paged (VRGtR and Spelljammer). So my position is if TSR had been more sensible and lived even, say, 5 years longer, even putting out stuff less wildly, the fact that they were keen on new settings (something WotC flatly is not) would have got us at least 1-2 more new settings and probably cool ones, and probably some cooler sourcebooks too. I think the best we can say is maybe TSR are learning from their mistakes? Though maybe not as it sounds like the page count will ALSO be higher than Planescape! [/QUOTE]

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