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Message: <blockquote data-quote="molonel" data-source="post: 3371371" data-attributes="member: 10412">Allow an old man his ironies, sometimes?I was asked to find examples. I found those. I was asked to find more specific examples. I found those, too. And now, those examples are being nitpicked. I'm shocked.Sooner or later, someone is going to reframe the question as, "Okay, Molonel. Find me an example in the oral storytelling of the Indians in the lower southeast section of Alaska where a 5,000 gp gem is required to bring a mortal hero back from the dead. Ha! Can't do it, can you?"I freely confess: I cannot.Okay, the efforts required are more striking.It still happens.He asked for a mortal example. Hercules was not yet a god. Ergo, he qualifies. He's dying, nothing can save him, and divine power rescues him. This qualifies as an example.In your opinion.Throughout the discussions we've had on this subject, Reincarnation was right there alongside Raise Dead, Resurrection and True Resurrection as an option to bring a character back. It wasn't the preferred option, but it was there.Heroes and lives cycling back from the dead is a fundamental part of world mythology. My analogy is not flawed.Well, people keep acting like it's some foregone conclusion that Rez, True Rez and Raise Dead have never appeared in literature, myth, fantasy or legend. That is absolutely, positively and demonstratably false.You can keep refining the question until you get the answer you want.But it is a valid tool in a DM or GM's toolbox, and every bit as valid - no more, no less - than other tools people use to continue the story when, by all accounts, characters should be dead. It has precadent, and it is valid.Except that the assumption that everyone wishes to return from the dead was not mine. In Greek mythology, Hades was a place of dust, loneliness and silence. Nice quote, by my clothes aren't even steaming.Keep trying, though.</blockquote>

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