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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6283756" data-attributes="member: 22779">Wow, Celebrim, so anyone who disagrees with you is apparently now some power gaming munchkin incapable of playing to character?  That's just such an unfortunate presumption. [MENTION=91812]ForeverSlayer[/MENTION] - no, that has certainly not been proven.  What has been proven is that you can change the base game such that you get elements of a character concept at earlier levels - i.e. house rule the problem.  Which is perfectly fine.  There's nothing wrong with this approach.  But, the other approach is to simply level up a bit faster so that concepts are achieved in the same amount of time.Look, if I wanted to be a leader of men archetype - some sort of military/quasi military individual with a rank structure and suchlike there's a few ways you could do it.  If I was in house rule territory, I could give the PC a pet NPC, maybe a 1st level warrior squire at 1st level.  At 3rd level, you get a couple more mooks to go with your squire.  At 5th level, you get some more.  At 7th level, you effectively have the Leadership feat.  There, done.Or, I could play baseline D&D without house rules.  Which means that the PC waits to 7th level to reach archetype.  Again, fair enough.  So, as a player, I going to want to get to 7th level as fast as possible, since levels 1-6 are basically me sitting on my thumbs until I can actually start to play the concept that I want.Again, perfectly fine.  Works either way. At the end of the day, it's mostly a wash.  You still achieve concept either way.What I don't buy is that doing it either way is badwrongfun or an example of poor play.</blockquote>

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