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<blockquote data-quote="DM_Jeff" data-source="post: 3827191" data-attributes="member: 3687">Wow, what an interesting question. In a 2e D&amp;D Fiorgotten Realsm game I ran, after 12th level the PCs were wildly potent and began exploring the planes to find the next challenge.In 3e, that changed. I ran a Kalamar game that didn't involve any planar threats until 17th level. The exact model also followed a couple years later with my 3.5 Forgotten Realms game - 17th level before the old planes came knocking. Same thing for my Shackled City 3.5 game!So it looks like 17 for me although I never planned it that way! In both Kalamar and the Realms it's a matter of conveinence. 1) The things that are CR 25 or above are so rare and secluded they don't impact the populace at large and 2) There are NPC's assumed to be up to 30th level, although incredibly rare, that could conceivably fight against such high-level foes if needbe.I haven't done anything like that.Retirement for my player's PCs have always been story based. A feeling like we'r estarting to tackle threats on the ludicrous scale and it's time to hang it up. Reunion games do and have come up, and I prove there's always a bigger fish...always.-DM Jeff</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DM_Jeff, post: 3827191, member: 3687"] Wow, what an interesting question. In a 2e D&D Fiorgotten Realsm game I ran, after 12th level the PCs were wildly potent and began exploring the planes to find the next challenge. In 3e, that changed. I ran a Kalamar game that didn't involve any planar threats until 17th level. The exact model also followed a couple years later with my 3.5 Forgotten Realms game - 17th level before the old planes came knocking. Same thing for my Shackled City 3.5 game! So it looks like 17 for me although I never planned it that way! In both Kalamar and the Realms it's a matter of conveinence. 1) The things that are CR 25 or above are so rare and secluded they don't impact the populace at large and 2) There are NPC's assumed to be up to 30th level, although incredibly rare, that could conceivably fight against such high-level foes if needbe. I haven't done anything like that. Retirement for my player's PCs have always been story based. A feeling like we'r estarting to tackle threats on the ludicrous scale and it's time to hang it up. Reunion games do and have come up, and I prove there's always a bigger fish...always. -DM Jeff [/QUOTE]

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