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<blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 2167151" data-attributes="member: 17296"><p>I can't resist, so I must answer this:</p><p></p><p>NOTHING!! Nothing would stop someone from buying a Staff of Magic Missiles for 750 GP (other than lack of gold).</p><p></p><p>However, the fact that a staff HAS to be caster level 8 will very likely stop anyone from selling one at that price.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've always read that phrase as meaning several spells, which could be the same spell several times. Several Magic Missile Spells. 50 is definitely several. And, of course, it doesn't have to be exactly 50 (it can have been used, and there are rules for making the spells cost more than one charge). </p><p></p><p>I don't think that it *can* be completely replaced with the phrase "different spells" without altering it's meaning (if this weren't true, you wouldn't be tempted to try to make the alteration, and thereby change the potential meanings of the phrase). However, I've never been tempted in my interpretation to replace the phrase with 'spell charges', because the number of charges in the staff does not necessarily reflect the number of spells in the staff. Even if it's all one spell.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Casting the same spell several times is casting several spells... those spells are indeed related, very related. But there are several of them. You can tell the difference between there being several and there not being several by how many times the opponent(s) scream.</p><p></p><p>It's true that charges are not spells. But they power spells. Several of them. In the above referenced case, several magic missile spells. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh </p><p>My</p><p>Gawd!</p><p>You're right. </p><p>I never noticed this because, well, because staves aren't worth it, so I never looked at them THAT closely. However, just for the one GM I know who's said "you can make anything in the rules, but nothing custom at all, no matter how reasonablely priced or well thought out", just for him I'm going to have to make this staff.</p><p></p><p>That would be what...</p><p>375*(spell level) 2 * (Caster level) 8 =6000</p><p>375*1*8=3000</p><p>So:</p><p>6000/50 (Scorching Ray, cost 50 charges to cast)</p><p>+ 0.75(6000/50) (Acid Arrow, secondary spell, cost 50 charges to cast)</p><p>+ 0.5(3000) (Magic Missile, tertiary spell, cost 1 charge to cast)</p><p>= 1,710 gold pieces.</p><p></p><p>That's not to bad for a staff of magic missiles with 50 charges (but it's really aweful for a staff of Scorching Ray or Acid Arrow with 50 charges, cost to cast 50 charges each). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Every time I see this, I'm reminded that ALL these rules are guidelines, and by your logic we should put every rule question in House Rules.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ARandomGod, post: 2167151, member: 17296"] I can't resist, so I must answer this: NOTHING!! Nothing would stop someone from buying a Staff of Magic Missiles for 750 GP (other than lack of gold). However, the fact that a staff HAS to be caster level 8 will very likely stop anyone from selling one at that price. I've always read that phrase as meaning several spells, which could be the same spell several times. Several Magic Missile Spells. 50 is definitely several. And, of course, it doesn't have to be exactly 50 (it can have been used, and there are rules for making the spells cost more than one charge). I don't think that it *can* be completely replaced with the phrase "different spells" without altering it's meaning (if this weren't true, you wouldn't be tempted to try to make the alteration, and thereby change the potential meanings of the phrase). However, I've never been tempted in my interpretation to replace the phrase with 'spell charges', because the number of charges in the staff does not necessarily reflect the number of spells in the staff. Even if it's all one spell. Casting the same spell several times is casting several spells... those spells are indeed related, very related. But there are several of them. You can tell the difference between there being several and there not being several by how many times the opponent(s) scream. It's true that charges are not spells. But they power spells. Several of them. In the above referenced case, several magic missile spells. Oh My Gawd! You're right. I never noticed this because, well, because staves aren't worth it, so I never looked at them THAT closely. However, just for the one GM I know who's said "you can make anything in the rules, but nothing custom at all, no matter how reasonablely priced or well thought out", just for him I'm going to have to make this staff. That would be what... 375*(spell level) 2 * (Caster level) 8 =6000 375*1*8=3000 So: 6000/50 (Scorching Ray, cost 50 charges to cast) + 0.75(6000/50) (Acid Arrow, secondary spell, cost 50 charges to cast) + 0.5(3000) (Magic Missile, tertiary spell, cost 1 charge to cast) = 1,710 gold pieces. That's not to bad for a staff of magic missiles with 50 charges (but it's really aweful for a staff of Scorching Ray or Acid Arrow with 50 charges, cost to cast 50 charges each). Every time I see this, I'm reminded that ALL these rules are guidelines, and by your logic we should put every rule question in House Rules. [/QUOTE]
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