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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6392043" data-attributes="member: 4937">There is your mistake right there.The Hobbit movies are terrible movies.&nbsp;&nbsp; Peter Jackson is the Nimrod.&nbsp; He believes he's a better writer than JRR Tolkien, so he thinks he needs to change up everything.&nbsp;&nbsp; As a result, nothing makes sense.I have a list at home of what he casts in the books in D&amp;D terms, and it's pretty much what you'd expect a D&amp;D wizard to cast.&nbsp; He's particularly fond of lightning bolt and invisibility.&nbsp; He also casts Pyrotechnics.&nbsp; It's almost like he's a lot of the inspiration for a D&amp;D wizard.&nbsp;&nbsp; Granted, there isn't a lot of direct evidence that he's more than 6th level (hense the famous essay), but in Middle Earth terms, that's pretty darn powerful. Gandalf is a master of shadow, fire, light, and illusion magic.&nbsp; He tends to be very sneaky.&nbsp; He was acting as a scout, arguably because no one else was sneaky enough to pull it off.&nbsp; His main purpose was to determine who this Necromancer was - a fallen Istari, one of the Black Numenoreans, or an unaccounted for Maiar that had been subverted by Morgoth long ago.&nbsp; What he discovers is that it is indeed a fallen Maiar, but not one that was unaccounted for, but Sauron himself, taking a new form.&nbsp; That in itself is an important bit of information.&nbsp;&nbsp; Using that information, Gandalf is able to sway the White Council against Saruman (who is at this point, though its not known, already fallen into evil), and the White Council in turn musters the last army of high elves against Sauron, delaying his rise to power and driving him from Mirkwood - a position from which, unbeknown to Gandalf at the time, Sauron would be able to recover the one ring decades before the Fellowship and usher in a new dark age.While he's there, he discovers imprisoned the Drawf King Thrain son of Thor, and from Thrain he obtains the map and the key that allows Bilbo to gain entrance to the back door to Smaug's chamber.&nbsp; Bilbo then, acting as a scout, discovers the vital fact that there is a small patch of bare skin in Smaug's otherwise invulnerable armor.&nbsp; This fact is ultimately relayed to Bard the Bowman, who fires an arrow of slaying into the patch (the 'Black Arrow') killing Smaug, who might otherwise been Sauron's chief servant in the north.&nbsp; Probably in the movie they get everything out of order, mess things up, and add a ton of pointless fighting.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6392043, member: 4937"] There is your mistake right there. The Hobbit movies are terrible movies. Peter Jackson is the Nimrod. He believes he's a better writer than JRR Tolkien, so he thinks he needs to change up everything. As a result, nothing makes sense. I have a list at home of what he casts in the books in D&D terms, and it's pretty much what you'd expect a D&D wizard to cast. He's particularly fond of lightning bolt and invisibility. He also casts Pyrotechnics. It's almost like he's a lot of the inspiration for a D&D wizard. Granted, there isn't a lot of direct evidence that he's more than 6th level (hense the famous essay), but in Middle Earth terms, that's pretty darn powerful. Gandalf is a master of shadow, fire, light, and illusion magic. He tends to be very sneaky. He was acting as a scout, arguably because no one else was sneaky enough to pull it off. His main purpose was to determine who this Necromancer was - a fallen Istari, one of the Black Numenoreans, or an unaccounted for Maiar that had been subverted by Morgoth long ago. What he discovers is that it is indeed a fallen Maiar, but not one that was unaccounted for, but Sauron himself, taking a new form. That in itself is an important bit of information. Using that information, Gandalf is able to sway the White Council against Saruman (who is at this point, though its not known, already fallen into evil), and the White Council in turn musters the last army of high elves against Sauron, delaying his rise to power and driving him from Mirkwood - a position from which, unbeknown to Gandalf at the time, Sauron would be able to recover the one ring decades before the Fellowship and usher in a new dark age. While he's there, he discovers imprisoned the Drawf King Thrain son of Thor, and from Thrain he obtains the map and the key that allows Bilbo to gain entrance to the back door to Smaug's chamber. Bilbo then, acting as a scout, discovers the vital fact that there is a small patch of bare skin in Smaug's otherwise invulnerable armor. This fact is ultimately relayed to Bard the Bowman, who fires an arrow of slaying into the patch (the 'Black Arrow') killing Smaug, who might otherwise been Sauron's chief servant in the north. Probably in the movie they get everything out of order, mess things up, and add a ton of pointless fighting. [/QUOTE]

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