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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zog" data-source="post: 282743" data-attributes="member: 5083">A previous poster wrote that his 5th level monk had a base attack of +2/+2.On the other hand, a monk I played up to level 6 (with 1st level in rogue) had a base attack of +9 or +7/+7.Damage d6 +2, flanking 2d6+2 (if sneak attack applies)AC of 19, 20 w/dodge.  Magic items: A +1 mace, a +1 ring of deflection, ring of jumping.Solid skills: +18 hide, +43 jump, +14 tumble, etc.Really good stats - but I rolled them, and seeing how good they were, decided to play the monk.  As a halfling, with a dex of 20, str and wis of 14, weapon finesse unarmed - he was darn effective.The one fight in which my character was less than effective was the one-on-one fight with the hill giant.  That, um, that didn't quite work very well....  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />It is difficult to make an effective monk - you really, really need great stats to start with.  Some good magic items, the right feat combos, and you can hold your own.  If the party spellcasters toss a few buff spells your way, you are ready to ruin some critter's day.  It is, unfortunately, very easy to make a mediocre monk, who is simply less than useful.  Monk, like bards, can be very effective if played well.  And a waste of space if built poorly.  Both of them round out a party of the 4 basic classes very well - but neither stand well as a replacement.</blockquote>

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