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<blockquote data-quote="Gizzard" data-source="post: 283842" data-attributes="member: 527">OK, but the first level version of your Monk cant actually use Weapon Focus since it requires a BAB=1.&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp; I also didnt catch what you gave the Monk as you levelled him up.&nbsp;Well, you gave everyone a Monk stat base, which is already slanting the results in one direction.&nbsp; Whats the Fighter going to do with a 14 WIS?&nbsp; Take those same points, make the Fighter 18 STR and give it a spin then.&nbsp; One huge advantage the warrior types have in combat is that they can focus their stats much better than a Monk.&nbsp;Sure, you could do this.&nbsp; But why would you?&nbsp; If you were going down this path wouldnt you rather just be a Barbarian or a Fighter?&nbsp; &quot;Hi.&nbsp; I am a Monk.&nbsp; I put all my points in STR so I can do damage.&nbsp; So I'm not very good at my Monk abilities.&nbsp; You know, I was thinking of wearing armor since my AC is about 12.&quot;&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp; &nbsp;Theres no way that the Monks special abilities are so cool that they make you want to be a Monk above any other class.&nbsp; Has anyone ever used &quot;Deflect Arrows&quot; successfully (I'm oh-for-two so far)?&nbsp; &quot;Purity of Body&quot;- I dont ever get a non-magical disease again.&nbsp; Whee.&nbsp; Versus say, &quot;Rage&quot; or &quot;Uncanny Dodge&quot;.&nbsp; Or choosing your Feats as a Fighter.&nbsp; Nope, I think the Monks special abilities are a *disadvantage* compared to the mainline fighter classes. I'll grant that Monks Skills are much much better than the fighters, but is that the big advantage of being a Monk?&nbsp; A Rogue is a second-tier combatant also, but if you want Skills then go Rogue by all means; he gets a lot more Skill points, access to a lot of vital skills like Disable Device *and* access to every single useful Skill the Monk gets</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gizzard, post: 283842, member: 527"] OK, but the first level version of your Monk cant actually use Weapon Focus since it requires a BAB=1. ;-) I also didnt catch what you gave the Monk as you levelled him up. Well, you gave everyone a Monk stat base, which is already slanting the results in one direction. Whats the Fighter going to do with a 14 WIS? Take those same points, make the Fighter 18 STR and give it a spin then. One huge advantage the warrior types have in combat is that they can focus their stats much better than a Monk. Sure, you could do this. But why would you? If you were going down this path wouldnt you rather just be a Barbarian or a Fighter? "Hi. I am a Monk. I put all my points in STR so I can do damage. So I'm not very good at my Monk abilities. You know, I was thinking of wearing armor since my AC is about 12." ;-) Theres no way that the Monks special abilities are so cool that they make you want to be a Monk above any other class. Has anyone ever used "Deflect Arrows" successfully (I'm oh-for-two so far)? "Purity of Body"- I dont ever get a non-magical disease again. Whee. Versus say, "Rage" or "Uncanny Dodge". Or choosing your Feats as a Fighter. Nope, I think the Monks special abilities are a *disadvantage* compared to the mainline fighter classes. I'll grant that Monks Skills are much much better than the fighters, but is that the big advantage of being a Monk? A Rogue is a second-tier combatant also, but if you want Skills then go Rogue by all means; he gets a lot more Skill points, access to a lot of vital skills like Disable Device *and* access to every single useful Skill the Monk gets [/QUOTE]

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