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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gizzard" data-source="post: 285529" data-attributes="member: 527">OK, heres a totally different angle on this thing.When I played a Wizard under 2E, I always felt like I had something useful to do.  Even when I was first level and had one friggen spell.  I'd save my daily spell and try and use it judiciously to the parties best advantage.  Then after that, I could fall back secondary tricks like ducking in and out of combat to trying to take some pressure off the fighters.  Or using a Sling or handful of Darts.  As I grew in levels, my options got more and more diverse; it seemed like the ability to do something interesting with the character was constantly expanding.But, up to 5th level as a Monk, I feel like I seldom have anything useful to do.  I am pretty Tank-y with Mage Armor on, so again, I can take pressure off the real fighters by distracting less intelligent monsters.  Whee.  And my contribution of a couple points of damage here and there is never a bad thing.  Whee.  I can Tumble everywhere and provide Flanking bonuses or get in a position to protect squishy mages.  Useful, maybe even heroic in the right circumstances.  I have cool skills and special abilities that others do not (mostly because we have no Rogue).  Ok then.  Is that all there is to this character?I think this sums up what mattcolville was originally getting at.  A Monk can do a lot of vaguely useful things, but where is something Heroic for him to do?  A Barbarian will go toe-to-toe with a Troll and win; a Cleric will bring a shattered party back to full health; a Wizard will cast an array of useful or deadly spells.  A Thief will disarm a Trap, and more than occassionally deal out the sort of Sneak Attack damage that a Monk can only dream of.  So, why would you want to play a Monk over the mainline character classes?  Or more to the point, if you are adventuring with two Monks will you always be frowning and wishing that one was a Fighter and the other a Rogue instead?</blockquote>

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