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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 286559" data-attributes="member: 545">Henry,You are going to need a better example than that.  That character is worthless.  Compare him to the 1st level 25 pt. Rogue.  The  Rogue has the same AC, much more damage when he can flank, and vastly better skills, for the cost of 2 HPs.Here is the telling question: If you were playing in a balanced campaign (roleplaying and combat, urban and wilderness and dungeon) and you were playing one of the 4 iconic PCs (fighter, cleric, wiz, rogue), who would you WANT as a fifth PC?  The monk would be my 11th choice out of the 11 PHB classes.  Every other class is more useful to the party IMO.So maybe those players who have monks that somehow survive to 10th level are now having fun, but from the metagame angle your "useful" defensive skills often mean your fellow PCs have to do more heavy lifting and taking more personal risks to get the job done than if you chose a more effective career path.I noticed that a lot of examples of useful monks in this thread assume that someone will cast Mage Armor or Magic Fang or both on the monk.  In my book if a character requires precious magical resources from other PCs to do their job that is damning evidence something is wrong with the character.  Every other character class in the PHB can do their job competently without help.  Why can't the monk?  Hmm?</blockquote>