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<blockquote data-quote="Gizzard" data-source="post: 287134" data-attributes="member: 527">From my limited experience, I didnt really feel outclassed at 1st level.&nbsp; At 3rd level I definitely did (its at 4th you get the extra attribute point and the d8 damage dice) and I still do (though to a lesser extent) at 5th level.&nbsp; So I'd suggest that first level comparison isnt the best.&nbsp;Well, the thing about comparing the Rogue and the Monk in fighting ability and coming away saying &quot;the Monk is slightly better here&quot; in combat misses the point that I feel:If the Rogue does something useful in combat the party is impressed:&nbsp; He's added value to his existence.&nbsp; If he screws up, he can always say, &quot;Hey!&nbsp; Who opens the chests, baby?&quot;&nbsp; His primary function isnt combat; his Sneak Attack is just gravy.If the Monk does something useful in combat people say, &quot;You did your job.&nbsp; Good work.&quot;&nbsp; But when the other Fighter classes outshine him in combat people say, &quot;So why do we have a Monk again?&quot;&nbsp; The Monk is not that good at his primary ability and his secondary abilities arent party-oriented enough to make people care.&nbsp; &quot;OK, Mr I-Have-Good-Saves-and-a-High-AC, we'll all cheer for you when you are the last man standing after a Fireball.&nbsp; Good luck.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gizzard, post: 287134, member: 527"] From my limited experience, I didnt really feel outclassed at 1st level. At 3rd level I definitely did (its at 4th you get the extra attribute point and the d8 damage dice) and I still do (though to a lesser extent) at 5th level. So I'd suggest that first level comparison isnt the best. Well, the thing about comparing the Rogue and the Monk in fighting ability and coming away saying "the Monk is slightly better here" in combat misses the point that I feel: If the Rogue does something useful in combat the party is impressed: He's added value to his existence. If he screws up, he can always say, "Hey! Who opens the chests, baby?" His primary function isnt combat; his Sneak Attack is just gravy. If the Monk does something useful in combat people say, "You did your job. Good work." But when the other Fighter classes outshine him in combat people say, "So why do we have a Monk again?" The Monk is not that good at his primary ability and his secondary abilities arent party-oriented enough to make people care. "OK, Mr I-Have-Good-Saves-and-a-High-AC, we'll all cheer for you when you are the last man standing after a Fireball. Good luck." [/QUOTE]

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