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<blockquote data-quote="mattcolville" data-source="post: 287316" data-attributes="member: 1300">That was my objection in the first place, one that was never satisfactorily addressed.What is that thing the Monk does, that's both A: needed and B: something only he can do?Still don't know what that thing is. When the chips are down, and everyone's fighting for their lives (which is to say, we're playing D&amp;D) the Monks often get looks from the other players like &quot;Jesus, is that all you can do?&quot;Which is not the same as &quot;you're useless.&quot; It's &quot;you're not useful *enough*.&quot; The only other class that gets this is the Bard, but we recently had a very effective bard in the group, and we changed our minds. I'm just curious as to when we're going to do the same thing with the Monk and it looks like the answer is &quot;never.&quot;I've added Quarterstaff, Longspear, and Javelin, all simple weapons, to the list of weapons the Monk can use with his unarmed ATK bonus and number of attacks. These should probably have been there in the first place, since relying on oriental weapons is something you should only have to do in an oriental game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mattcolville, post: 287316, member: 1300"] That was my objection in the first place, one that was never satisfactorily addressed. What is that thing the Monk does, that's both A: needed and B: something only he can do? Still don't know what that thing is. When the chips are down, and everyone's fighting for their lives (which is to say, we're playing D&D) the Monks often get looks from the other players like "Jesus, is that all you can do?" Which is not the same as "you're useless." It's "you're not useful *enough*." The only other class that gets this is the Bard, but we recently had a very effective bard in the group, and we changed our minds. I'm just curious as to when we're going to do the same thing with the Monk and it looks like the answer is "never." I've added Quarterstaff, Longspear, and Javelin, all simple weapons, to the list of weapons the Monk can use with his unarmed ATK bonus and number of attacks. These should probably have been there in the first place, since relying on oriental weapons is something you should only have to do in an oriental game. [/QUOTE]

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