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Message: <blockquote data-quote="apsuman" data-source="post: 288655" data-attributes="member: 1769">I think too many people are trying to focus on all of the monk's abilities too much.  For example either you decide to have a stunning attack that is big enough to threaten the fighter types , in which case you need the wisdom of solomon, OR you settle for a weaker stunning attack, (where are those rogues?) and boost other things.I have a few ideas on "different" types of monks.Human monkStr 18 (22 w/belt)Dex 14Con 12Int 10Wis 14 (2 stat increases)Cha 8HP 58AC 10+2 (monk)+2 (dex)+2 (wis)+2 (Bracers)+1 (dodge)Feats: Power Attack, Dodge, Mobility, Spring Attack, Cleave+1 flaming shock Nunchaku Bab +7/+4/+1(+14/+11/+8 with Nunchaku)Stunning attack at +13 DC of 17Damage: (nunchaku) 3d6 + 7, average 17.5 +1 flaming shock Nunchaku 18,302 gpBoots of speed 8,000 gpbelt of giant Str +4 16,000 gpBracers of AC +2 4,000 gpCloak of Elvenkind 2,000 gpSkills65 skill pointsbalance +8 +2 dex = +10tumble +10 +2 dex = +12climb +4 +6 str= +10listen +10 +2 wis = +12jump +10 + 6 str = +16hide +10 +2 dex + 10 cloak = +22move silent +13 +2 dex = +15At the cost of a little AC and a lower DC on the Stunning attack. he has a much better str, better to hit and damage.I don't like one trick ponies, but it bears pointing out that this guy can Spring Attack in, (improve) trip you with a -4 power attack, and then get an attack on you (at only +14)  for 3d6+11 damage (avg 21.5) and still pring attack out of there.Even without using spring attack or the power attack, simply engaging in melee, a trip attack even if the first one misses, if the second one hits, then you have two attacks at +15/+12 against a prone target, for an avg of 17.5 each time.g!</blockquote>

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