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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hakkenshi" data-source="post: 298946" data-attributes="member: 5457">LokiDR, remember that Improved Trip gives the monk a free attack on the downed person. That is CONSIDERABLE.By hiding, I meant he gets the drop on them. If he can Spring Attack Stunning Fist the party spellcaster, then (hopefully) Improved Trip someone the next round, he's doing OK. If they use a lot of ranged, get him in close and break bows if you must <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Villano, I understand what you mean now. However, one of the monk prestige classes in OA gets buffs a certain amount of times per day, no? Would you be borrowing from that?I still disagree with you, but I see where you're going with it, and it is logical. My idea of the monk is very different though. And this is where what hong said comes into play: everyone has a different idea of what the monk should do. Hence, problem.</blockquote>