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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hakkenshi" data-source="post: 299818" data-attributes="member: 5457">The only problem I see with that encounter is that ANY level 7 character would be fairly easy for a level 5 party to destroy. I've yet to see a situation where WotC's incredibly illogical NPC level-to-CR conversion works, and even with the handicap you've given the character, it's to be expected that he would lose (so would a level 7 barb, IMHO, but that's beside the point).Likewise, I would never expect a level 5 (or level 7) character to take on a Troll.No, it was unfair in that you said the barbarian had a further bonus from a buff spell or potion, but you forgot to give the monk one. That makes a difference too.I guess it's pointless to argue now. If you believe the monk sucks that adamantly, I don't expect to convince you at this point <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Which is fine really. Leaves more monks for me to play!But as for the important point here, namely the upcoming encounter, I strongly suggest that a character's level never, EVER be considered equivalent to his CR. I think Ridley's Cohort is right in that a Hill Giant is a more likely CR 7.I think maybe two or three level 5 monks would prove a more accurate CR 7, and even then I'd find it low-challenge. If a level 5 party is normally able to take on a CR 5 without trouble, why is a level 5 character considered to be that same power level? It just doesn't make sense.PS: One last point I forgot to mention: I don't believe that monks are the "kings of grapplers" when compared to monsters! Monsters are an entirely different matter. Now if you make a Balor monk... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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