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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 299905" data-attributes="member: 6239">Any class, at level 7, should be a fight the PCs will win but with some costs.&nbsp; If monk is really as good as you say he is, then a monk lvl 7 should be able to inflict some real damage, just like a lvl 7 barbarian would, before dropping or running.&nbsp; The hill giant they just fought leveled every character that didn't die.&nbsp; That was a good challenge.&nbsp; The point of the CR system isn't to kill players, it is to challenge them.This is not a debate of the CR system.&nbsp; I can think of several classes, at level 7, that could challenge the party.&nbsp; Wizard had just gotten 4th level spells.&nbsp; Ditto cleric.&nbsp; Fighters, well, fight, and from the rest of this thread they do it better than monks.&nbsp; Barbarians are just damage machines.&nbsp; Rogue could sneak them to death.&nbsp; What can a monk do?&nbsp; Other have said hit and fade, so we shall see.&nbsp; If you don't think this a fair test, tell me.&nbsp; Who knows, maybe I'll wonder down to GenCon and see if I can't recruit a few volenteers to test this theory.&nbsp; But I planning the formal test for my next game session on the 17th.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 299905, member: 6239"] Any class, at level 7, should be a fight the PCs will win but with some costs. If monk is really as good as you say he is, then a monk lvl 7 should be able to inflict some real damage, just like a lvl 7 barbarian would, before dropping or running. The hill giant they just fought leveled every character that didn't die. That was a good challenge. The point of the CR system isn't to kill players, it is to challenge them. This is not a debate of the CR system. I can think of several classes, at level 7, that could challenge the party. Wizard had just gotten 4th level spells. Ditto cleric. Fighters, well, fight, and from the rest of this thread they do it better than monks. Barbarians are just damage machines. Rogue could sneak them to death. What can a monk do? Other have said hit and fade, so we shall see. If you don't think this a fair test, tell me. Who knows, maybe I'll wonder down to GenCon and see if I can't recruit a few volenteers to test this theory. But I planning the formal test for my next game session on the 17th. [/QUOTE]

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