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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Forrester" data-source="post: 299979" data-attributes="member: 1279">Is it just me, or could you give the exact same (cheaty) collection of magic items to a barbarian and have him do far, far more damage? Sure, the Hide skill checks will be a few points lower, but the damage will be 2d6+10 (assume a Potion of Bull's Strength gives him +4 to strength, and he starts at 18, with a +1 Greatsword). d8+7 vs 2d6+10. Attack bonus of the barbarian will be better, too. And he'll have an AC that's at least as good. And he doesn't need to drink a 1350gp potion to do the job. Yeah, that's one rockin' monk you have there. Incidentally, how did you buy all that crap?You have 19k to spend.Amulet Wisdom: 4kGloves Strength: 4kBoots Striding: 6.5kPotion Fang +3: 1,350gpCloak, Boots: 4kYou're over.(My proposed buy for 7th level barb, ability raise into Str)Str 18, Con 14, Dex 14, Int 10, Wis 11, Chr 8)+1 Greatsword for 2kPotion of Bull's Strength for 300gpCloak Elvenkind: 2kBoots: 6.5kSave 7k for a rainy day. (Something to help with saves?)Assuming I get a +4 on the potion, my attack bonus and damage is going to kick the monk's sorry ass. My AC is as good, my hp are far better. The only place I'm losing is having only half the ranks in Tumble and Hide . . . but those are hardly going to be as crucial.</blockquote>