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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hakkenshi" data-source="post: 302349" data-attributes="member: 5457">I definitely agree with you here. I ran those adventures and found it to be that way as well. Which is why I was encouraging DMs to better support their monks with magical items. Otherwise, you ARE gonna get monks that suck.Another good point, but our party never came to this conclusion. I guess your mileage may vary. The other way you might see this is that the buffs could be used to compensate for some weaknesses. If the barbarian hits steadily but the monk doesn't, it might be more useful to boost the monk attack by a few points. Twice the amount of hits is always a good thing. And if the monk uses Weapon Finesse, you're also making him harder to hit, which contributes to party survival.I think pages 242-243 (including sidebar) are what you're looking for. The rules are somewhat iffy on certain things, but they work.I think both sides of the argument are getting good points here. I'm definitely seeing what the monk-haters dislike. I've never experienced that sort of thing, but hey, that's just me.I've noticed that the CR discussion always assumes the characters are well-prepared for the encounter. Run a standard fighter of level 5 without a source of fire or acid against a Troll (you don't always KNOW you're gonna meet one), and he's gonna lose. How many Rends can he take???Likewise for the barb against the Giant. What if the barb's already used up his potion? CRs look great on paper, but when you run into a situation in-game (where conditions are usually less than ideal), the level 7 character is most likely to get moshed.That is why I say this: CRs work (up until Epic-level play) if you have a full party of 4. As soon as you start adding or subtracting characters, it goes all to heck. And a single character will probably bite it one-on-one. That 4th-level caster against a Carrion Crawler needs to either roll max damage on spells, get Shield off in the first round, or be prepared to be eaten. Too many Fort saves against certain death there.And, of course, there is the fact that the dice decide everything in all these cases anyway <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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