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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gizzard" data-source="post: 302849" data-attributes="member: 527">Thats pretty weak.  A tangent to that thought: a lot of people have mentioned specific Spells (Magic Fang) or Items (Boots of Striding) that they feel really help the Monk.  For a lot of different reasons, these things may not be available in a given campaign; especially a low-magic campaign.  So, do people think the Monk is more dependent on Buffs and Items than other classes? We have to be careful to specify what level we are talking about.  Chain Shirt and a good DEX means that our 5th level Barbarian is AC17.  The Monk and the TWF Fighter are AC18, I think the Cleric might be even slightly higher since he has a Shield.  The Barbarian is very comparable to everyone else at 5th, though I can see that AC is going to be a problem for him in the future.  But for now, I'd rather have 57HP with 17AC (or 67 HP with 15AC raging) than 37HP with 18AC like the Monk. We used the 4d6 method to roll up our characters; it comes out to be about a 40 point buy; so thats where my experience is.  Given that though, I dont think that more points is going to make the Monk better than a Fighter.  Since every stat is much more useful in 3E, its not like the Fighter will have his extra points go to waste.  If nothing else, he can dump them all in INT and start cross-classing into Monk skills.  Or dump them into WIS just to improve his Will Save.  I think you'd have to go over 50-pts before the Monk starts to close ground.   Certainly, 40-pts is not enough.Of course, I am thinking of low-level Monks here, since thats what the original question was about.  High-level Monks might be a different story.</blockquote>

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