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<blockquote data-quote="Gizzard" data-source="post: 303273" data-attributes="member: 527">Why did they overshadow similar-level Fighters?&nbsp; I'm curious since I see the opposite in my games.&nbsp; On the topic of Expertise: Expertise is difficult for a Monk to take since it requires INT 13 and the poor Monks stats are already stretched very thin.&nbsp; Feat slots are another area that the Monk is stretched thin in; especially if you hope to get the Dodge-&gt;Mobility-&gt;Spring Attack chain going.&nbsp; And this is what you get with it (using the posted Monk7 from earlier in the thread) , you could go from +7/+4 (or +5/+5/+2) with AC20 to +2/-1 (or +0/+0/-3) with AC25.&nbsp; (Is this the way it works, can I go negative on my to-hits?!)&nbsp; It's certainly a tradeoff; the Monk may have a high AC but he has given up any offensive power he may have had to do it.Of course, if I just go Total Defense I go to AC26 (with the Tumble synergy bonus.&nbsp; Every Monk takes Tumble, so this is almost a freebie.)&nbsp; Sure, I dont get to attack, but I'm not sure that +2/-1 at level 7 is really attacking either.&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp; Do you think Expertise helped your Monks a lot?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gizzard, post: 303273, member: 527"] Why did they overshadow similar-level Fighters? I'm curious since I see the opposite in my games. On the topic of Expertise: Expertise is difficult for a Monk to take since it requires INT 13 and the poor Monks stats are already stretched very thin. Feat slots are another area that the Monk is stretched thin in; especially if you hope to get the Dodge->Mobility->Spring Attack chain going. And this is what you get with it (using the posted Monk7 from earlier in the thread) , you could go from +7/+4 (or +5/+5/+2) with AC20 to +2/-1 (or +0/+0/-3) with AC25. (Is this the way it works, can I go negative on my to-hits?!) It's certainly a tradeoff; the Monk may have a high AC but he has given up any offensive power he may have had to do it. Of course, if I just go Total Defense I go to AC26 (with the Tumble synergy bonus. Every Monk takes Tumble, so this is almost a freebie.) Sure, I dont get to attack, but I'm not sure that +2/-1 at level 7 is really attacking either. ;-) Do you think Expertise helped your Monks a lot? [/QUOTE]

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