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<blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 303609" data-attributes="member: 1134"><p>I think anytime a class gives extra benefits to a stat beyond the norm(con=hp) people instinctively say that's a prime stat I need an 18 to make a decent character.&nbsp; With the monk he is a combatant so he has the standard norm primes, +wisdom.&nbsp; So everyone says I need a whole bunch of 18's to be a good monk.&nbsp; And quite frankly that's crap.&nbsp; A 14 gives you a good boost, add stat increase items you may gain over levels and you get a +5 bonus.&nbsp; 2+5's =+10 so with a starting 14/14 in dex/wis you can end up with a+10 to ac just from stats.&nbsp; I think that's fairly cool.&nbsp; Also as I mentioned before in the standard point buy min/max wise you don't want to purchase much past 14 anyways because the cost becomes prohibitive.&nbsp; If you want an 18 it costs 16 points, in a 25 point but how much does that leave the fighter now that he's all bad with an 18 str.&nbsp; He can't even get the rest of his stats to 10.&nbsp; Oh I can see the list of feats he has with those stats, power attack, and even more power attack.&nbsp; On 25 point buy a monk could have these stats: 14,14,10,12,14,9.(S,D,C,I,W,CH)&nbsp; combat monster nope, but still good stats for a generalist which is what the monk is as written.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Shard O'Glase, post: 303609, member: 1134"] I think anytime a class gives extra benefits to a stat beyond the norm(con=hp) people instinctively say that's a prime stat I need an 18 to make a decent character. With the monk he is a combatant so he has the standard norm primes, +wisdom. So everyone says I need a whole bunch of 18's to be a good monk. And quite frankly that's crap. A 14 gives you a good boost, add stat increase items you may gain over levels and you get a +5 bonus. 2+5's =+10 so with a starting 14/14 in dex/wis you can end up with a+10 to ac just from stats. I think that's fairly cool. Also as I mentioned before in the standard point buy min/max wise you don't want to purchase much past 14 anyways because the cost becomes prohibitive. If you want an 18 it costs 16 points, in a 25 point but how much does that leave the fighter now that he's all bad with an 18 str. He can't even get the rest of his stats to 10. Oh I can see the list of feats he has with those stats, power attack, and even more power attack. On 25 point buy a monk could have these stats: 14,14,10,12,14,9.(S,D,C,I,W,CH) combat monster nope, but still good stats for a generalist which is what the monk is as written. [/QUOTE]

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