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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 308077" data-attributes="member: 6239">Reincarnate gives stat boosts and gross physical qualities.  If you are lacking a MM where you are (or the PH for reincarnate), try <a href="http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html" target="_blank">http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html</a>  The centar has only 4 level, and is new to his form.  And the "improbably high boost to being tripped, bull rushed, or grappled" is only the extra 2 legs and +8 strengh.  He is only at 20 or 22, as he was a finess fighter.  The centaur can be avoided, as all the tactical discussions here have pointed out.Now to the question of CR.  I do not think the CR system is amazingly good, but it has it's supporters.  It is the only published technical means to compare threats to a party.  The published material says the monk is CR 7, the party is APL 5 (where does it say "based on party of 4"?) and the challenge is +2 over the party level.  The published material calls this a very difficult encounter, one that the party should potentially run from.  This is all published, without any situational modifiers.  The situation favors the monk, who can use the local terain and confound the PCs.  As to your other question, who else besides a wizard could challenge the party, I will say this.  Sorcerer could if wizard could.  This seems redudant.  Ok, a rogue, repeatedly sniping with sneak attack, could use the terain even more.  A cleric could cause havoc with summoned monsters, then move in armored and ready to beat the PCs down while he was buffed up.  A barbarian wouldn't give them a chance to run, but could definately do some real damage.  Druids have animals, and that could be a scary horde.I personally see most any other class as being better suited to this task.  I proposed the challenge in the first place because monk was at the bottom of my list.  I want those who like monks to show me how they have advantages over others.  Every thing that has been proposed, save "not dying" is something that another class better.</blockquote>

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