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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hakkenshi" data-source="post: 308590" data-attributes="member: 5457">As for the last part, that's as may be, but the monk does ALL those things.He is still the master of unaided mobility. Add a mobility-enhancing spell, and it's just more so. Mobility is not to be underestimated, even by the Fly-abusers (which remains one of the silliest things I've heard).He can still fight quite decently, with acceptable damage, more than acceptable number of attacks, alright BAB, and some in-built special combat abilities for which he needs no feats.He can sneak around just fine, as well as a rogue, in fact.He also has a ton of class skills, for which you admittedly have to "sacrifice" <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> a stat to Int if you want to take advantage of them.He has what is probably the best higher-level class progression, tied with the Druid (who's a high-level disaster waiting to happen on the poor wee monsters). SR, lots of resistances, becoming an outsider (a good if double-edged sword), Dimension Door, d20 damage, etc.So yes, many classes can do certain things the monk does better, but he does all of them. The comparison to a bard would be good if the bard didn't rely on spellcasting so much for his power. I've seen bards become deadly opponents at high levels, and they weren't benchwarmers earlier, either. But that's a debate for another day, and another thread <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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