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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 310800" data-attributes="member: 545">The most dangerous opponents are almost always intelligent for exactly the reason there is no sure fire method of manipulating them.  BTW, monks don't look so hot against oozes or golems either, even with ki strike.You are under the mistaken impression that a barbarian or fighter needs to be high level to dish out 50 pts. of damage per round.  Not true at all.  It is quite plausible to do so at 8th or 9th level if you remember criticals.  The springing monk will be doing something like d10+4 damage per round, if that.  At that kind of damage differential the monk is just a gnat that can be safely ignored, at least for the next few rounds.Held or Dominated is a problem for typical grunts.  Of course one can wonder whether anyone would bother tossing one of those spells at a monk even if they had the worst saves in the world.Dragon breathe is really a joke from the fighter's POV, BTW.  A little fire sure beats being ripped from limb to limb by its claws.For all my griping about the Monk class I think it is an interesting class that is not too difficult to fix with minor tweaks.  But the first step is to actually recognize its weaknesses.  One of my DMs did the following: boosted unarmed BAB to fighter progression (but kept the old values for weapons), used high point buy (lets the monk get decent values in all "must have" stats), and cracked open the OA (gives the monk some interesting tactics that other classes cannot easily replicate).  This might be too potent at very high levels, but we will cross that bridge when we come to it.  Low-mediums level monks are useful with notable strengths and weaknesses.Hey, it's been fun hashing over thing with you, Hakkenshi!</blockquote>

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