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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 312427" data-attributes="member: 6239"><p>I think your comment on level 6 characters is a bit misplaced. I think what you meant was a BAB of 6. This is only possible for the purely fighter types, and every character except the wizard and rogue has multiclassed. I also agree that an extra attack is very nice, but it can hardly be considered as important enought to warrent a recalculation of EL. What about two weapon fighting? That is -2 on all attacks instead of -5 on a second attack. If a second attack was that powerful, the two weapon fighter should just slauter other characters about his level. I don't see this, so I have to assume it is not that big of a deal.</p><p></p><p>I still don't understand why you believe wiz 6 is so good. Wiz 4 to wiz 5 is amazing, since the third level spells are the real powershouses at low level. Wiz 6 to wiz 7 give improved invis, which is a nice spell. What is at 6? </p><p></p><p>As for the other spells you mentioned, stoneskin is just not that amazing. First, wiz 7 not wiz 9, as it is a 4th level spell. Second, it is DR 10/+5. A sure-striking weapon goes right through. Third, at only 10 points per hit, a fighter or barbarian can still hurt you through it. Forth, at 10 minutes per level, this isn't something you can cast at the begining of the dungeon as a precast. Fifth, the cost of 250 gp of gem dust per casting make it rather expensive and that dust adds up pretty quickly. I would much rather have haste than stoneskin.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 312427, member: 6239"] I think your comment on level 6 characters is a bit misplaced. I think what you meant was a BAB of 6. This is only possible for the purely fighter types, and every character except the wizard and rogue has multiclassed. I also agree that an extra attack is very nice, but it can hardly be considered as important enought to warrent a recalculation of EL. What about two weapon fighting? That is -2 on all attacks instead of -5 on a second attack. If a second attack was that powerful, the two weapon fighter should just slauter other characters about his level. I don't see this, so I have to assume it is not that big of a deal. I still don't understand why you believe wiz 6 is so good. Wiz 4 to wiz 5 is amazing, since the third level spells are the real powershouses at low level. Wiz 6 to wiz 7 give improved invis, which is a nice spell. What is at 6? As for the other spells you mentioned, stoneskin is just not that amazing. First, wiz 7 not wiz 9, as it is a 4th level spell. Second, it is DR 10/+5. A sure-striking weapon goes right through. Third, at only 10 points per hit, a fighter or barbarian can still hurt you through it. Forth, at 10 minutes per level, this isn't something you can cast at the begining of the dungeon as a precast. Fifth, the cost of 250 gp of gem dust per casting make it rather expensive and that dust adds up pretty quickly. I would much rather have haste than stoneskin. [/QUOTE]
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