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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6781035" data-attributes="member: 5834">The creature has incorporeal movement because it is incorporeal all the time. That has not changed in this edition. We all know what ghosts, wraiths, and specters are. Because they can pass through walls and other solid objects because they're incorporeal, but somehow plate armor blocks their attack more effectively than moving out of the way. Why would an armor that relies on providing full body protection due to being covered in steel provide more protection against an attack that can pass right through it than a heavy dex character that can move out of the way? The 3E method was one of the more intelligent rules they thought up for dealing with incorporeal attacks or attacks that merely require contact with the individual to do their effect. I know they got rid of it due to the whole, &quot;Keep things uncomplicated&quot; mantra, but it doesn't make sense or improve verisimilitude. It's best not to think about it too much, though at some point I may write a house rule to modify it at some point. Then again undead are extremely weak in this edition and it may not be worth it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6781035, member: 5834"] The creature has incorporeal movement because it is incorporeal all the time. That has not changed in this edition. We all know what ghosts, wraiths, and specters are. Because they can pass through walls and other solid objects because they're incorporeal, but somehow plate armor blocks their attack more effectively than moving out of the way. Why would an armor that relies on providing full body protection due to being covered in steel provide more protection against an attack that can pass right through it than a heavy dex character that can move out of the way? The 3E method was one of the more intelligent rules they thought up for dealing with incorporeal attacks or attacks that merely require contact with the individual to do their effect. I know they got rid of it due to the whole, "Keep things uncomplicated" mantra, but it doesn't make sense or improve verisimilitude. It's best not to think about it too much, though at some point I may write a house rule to modify it at some point. Then again undead are extremely weak in this edition and it may not be worth it. [/QUOTE]

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