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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6784845" data-attributes="member: 6787503">Now hold on a minute. Before you jump to conclusions and say that what I said isn't true, why don't you actually read the rules you're talking about? You seem to be missing some of the finer points of the weapons properties rules. First of all, I think we can agree that a ranged weapon attack uses Dex as the modifier unless something breaks that rule. An attack with a net is a ranged weapon attack, so by default a net attack is made with a Dex modifier unless it has some property that changes that. Now what about the thrown property? Notice that all ranged weapons either have the ammunition or thrown property. You don't need ammunition to attack with a net because you throw the net itself. That's why it has the thrown property. The only quality the thrown property confers on a ranged weapon, in fact, is you can throw it to make a ranged attack. That's it. If a melee weapon has the thrown property then you can make a ranged attack with that weapon using you Strength modifier, but the net is a ranged weapon. There's nothing in the text of the thrown property that says it allows you to use Strength when attacking with a ranged weapon. Now, you also mention the finesse property. The finesse property allows you to choose either Strength or Dex for the attack roll, regardless of whether you're making a ranged or melee attack. The dart's finesse property isn't required for you to attack with Dex, because it's a ranged weapon with which you're making a ranged attack. The dart's finesse property is required to allow you to attack with Strength, because without it you could only use Dex.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 6784845, member: 6787503"] Now hold on a minute. Before you jump to conclusions and say that what I said isn't true, why don't you actually read the rules you're talking about? You seem to be missing some of the finer points of the weapons properties rules. First of all, I think we can agree that a ranged weapon attack uses Dex as the modifier unless something breaks that rule. An attack with a net is a ranged weapon attack, so by default a net attack is made with a Dex modifier unless it has some property that changes that. Now what about the thrown property? Notice that all ranged weapons either have the ammunition or thrown property. You don't need ammunition to attack with a net because you throw the net itself. That's why it has the thrown property. The only quality the thrown property confers on a ranged weapon, in fact, is you can throw it to make a ranged attack. That's it. If a melee weapon has the thrown property then you can make a ranged attack with that weapon using you Strength modifier, but the net is a ranged weapon. There's nothing in the text of the thrown property that says it allows you to use Strength when attacking with a ranged weapon. Now, you also mention the finesse property. The finesse property allows you to choose either Strength or Dex for the attack roll, regardless of whether you're making a ranged or melee attack. The dart's finesse property isn't required for you to attack with Dex, because it's a ranged weapon with which you're making a ranged attack. The dart's finesse property is required to allow you to attack with Strength, because without it you could only use Dex. [/QUOTE]

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