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<blockquote data-quote="orderofthings" data-source="post: 6915045" data-attributes="member: 6856566">Honestly, this spell is just not something you're supposed to measure in numbers.&nbsp; I have a lot of fun reading your posts when you guys start talking about damage output and damage per round and all, but I don't think it's appropriate with this spell.&nbsp; The utility of the spell goes beyond a party vs. monsters scenario.&nbsp; You can cast this spell on the mayor in the middle of his speech and ruin his political career forever.&nbsp; You can cast this spell on the Redbrand Ruffians when they confront the party for the first time, and weaken their hold on Phandalin without the market erupting in a bloodbath.Sometimes, you can't just blast everyone in the room with a fireball, or commit murder in public.&nbsp; That's why we have bards and used to have thieves in the party; to do things other than kill.If you read this spell description and have to make a chart validating it's effectiveness in combat, you need to make another chart that shows versatility in non-combat scenarios compared to, say, thunderclap.&nbsp; Can you cast said spell on one guy in a crowded room?&nbsp; Can you cast it without alerting the people upstairs?&nbsp; Can you do it during a courtroom trial without getting thrown in jail?Thunderclap; No, No, and No.V-Mockery; Yes, Yes, and well... maybe get charged with contempt of court but it's better than attempted murder.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="orderofthings, post: 6915045, member: 6856566"] Honestly, this spell is just not something you're supposed to measure in numbers. I have a lot of fun reading your posts when you guys start talking about damage output and damage per round and all, but I don't think it's appropriate with this spell. The utility of the spell goes beyond a party vs. monsters scenario. You can cast this spell on the mayor in the middle of his speech and ruin his political career forever. You can cast this spell on the Redbrand Ruffians when they confront the party for the first time, and weaken their hold on Phandalin without the market erupting in a bloodbath. Sometimes, you can't just blast everyone in the room with a fireball, or commit murder in public. That's why we have bards and used to have thieves in the party; to do things other than kill. If you read this spell description and have to make a chart validating it's effectiveness in combat, you need to make another chart that shows versatility in non-combat scenarios compared to, say, thunderclap. Can you cast said spell on one guy in a crowded room? Can you cast it without alerting the people upstairs? Can you do it during a courtroom trial without getting thrown in jail? Thunderclap; No, No, and No. V-Mockery; Yes, Yes, and well... maybe get charged with contempt of court but it's better than attempted murder. [/QUOTE]

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