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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sylrae" data-source="post: 4373089" data-attributes="member: 48520">Could someone explain to me all the gnome hate?Alot of people seem to hate them, but I don't know why. I mean, I don't like the 2e gnomes or lawn gnomes, but I hate the 2e dwarves too. they just look like absurdly ridiculous little fat people.I'm not a big fan of the 4e gnome art, but the 3e and pathfinder ones are pretty cool. I like the iconic gnome bard. On the cover of Complete swashbuckler his face looks alarmingly like my best friend's before he started getting shorter haircuts.and Pathfinder gnomes look pretty cool too.----------------3e stuffI don't get what's not to like about them. They're like the short magical race. Theyre taken a little less seriously, but mechanic wise theyre ok, and I think overall they're pretty cool. I usually play FR games - (3e), or games where anything with the appropriate LA goes - (3e), but out of the core races(PHB), gnomes are my second favorite. my favorite out of those would be the elf. However, I rarely use the PHB for races.If you're gonna rag on someone, shouldn't it be the orc or halfelf-(3e)?even the halfling is less interesting than a gnome. I know the halfling is supposedly a staple, but I've never seen anyone actually try to play one. Gnomes I've seen though. and nobody plays halforcs cause they got shafted so much statistically.If youre gonna play an orc everyone I know just uses the MM 3.5 orc cause they suck less and are still LA 0. and well, nobody plays helf elves cause they suck too.So given the fact that out of the 7 core races, gnomes are in the 4 that don't suck mechanically(Human, Dwarf, Elf, Gnome), and they have a cool spellcaster bard niche which other races dont, why do people hate them.---------back to 4e stuffas far as 4e races are concerned, are there any you guys hate? I loathe the dragonborn. I'm not opposed to having a draconic race, I just don't like the artwork, or the idea that they are so numerous. Not a fan of the eladrin either, but that's because I like the 2e and to a lesser extent 3e eladrin, which were a kind of celestial and had a cool background with different abilities then they do in 4e, and the fact that they made the teleporting fey be called eladrin means they killed 'actual' eladrin. plus there's the practicality issue of if you ever capture the pcs, and the guards know one is eladrin (he didnt successfully pass himself off as an elf), the practical thing to do is just put out his eyes. what do you guys think? what's up with the 4e gnome art, what's up with the gnome hate, and why do people like those other races I listed issues with?</blockquote>

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