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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 4374202" data-attributes="member: 51325">No, but you're also ignoring how TSR (note not just WOTC) treated them.&nbsp;Both Birthright (arguably the most &quot;medievalesque&quot; campaign setting ever produced) AND Darksun (the first non-standard fantasy setting) killed off gnomes.&nbsp;Dragonlance (and Spelljammer) used the atrocious Tinker gnome concept a.k.a &quot;we blow ourselves up more than we blow the other guy up&quot;&nbsp;Planescape, Al-qadim and Ravenloft pretty much ignored them. I seriously can't even remember one gnomish NPC from those campaign settings (and yeah, I know someone is going to prove me wrong...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />)&nbsp;Mystara and the Realms seem to use a toned down version of the tinker gnomes but frankly, unless you liked &quot;tech&quot; in your fantasy, the gnomes wouldn't be a big influence on your campaign design. And yes, I had forgot about Creature Crucible/Ballista&nbsp;Taliesin15, I think you're going to have to show how TSR actually gave gnomes a niche at all. Remember, once 3E killed the race/class restrictions, the so-called gnome niche disappeared (as I pointed out, if you wanted to play a spellcasting dwarf, frankly, 3E allows that whereas in 1e/2e you had to play a gnome)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 4374202, member: 51325"] No, but you're also ignoring how TSR (note not just WOTC) treated them. Both Birthright (arguably the most "medievalesque" campaign setting ever produced) AND Darksun (the first non-standard fantasy setting) killed off gnomes. Dragonlance (and Spelljammer) used the atrocious Tinker gnome concept a.k.a "we blow ourselves up more than we blow the other guy up" Planescape, Al-qadim and Ravenloft pretty much ignored them. I seriously can't even remember one gnomish NPC from those campaign settings (and yeah, I know someone is going to prove me wrong...:)) Mystara and the Realms seem to use a toned down version of the tinker gnomes but frankly, unless you liked "tech" in your fantasy, the gnomes wouldn't be a big influence on your campaign design. And yes, I had forgot about Creature Crucible/Ballista Taliesin15, I think you're going to have to show how TSR actually gave gnomes a niche at all. Remember, once 3E killed the race/class restrictions, the so-called gnome niche disappeared (as I pointed out, if you wanted to play a spellcasting dwarf, frankly, 3E allows that whereas in 1e/2e you had to play a gnome) [/QUOTE]

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