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<blockquote data-quote="BBQ" data-source="post: 3856533" data-attributes="member: 56064"><p>I'm not new to the game. I've played through all the editions of the game. I've seen the good and the bad of all the editions. I always found that every edition has been better than the previous ones. So, here we go: </p><p></p><p>Well, nothing's stopping you from adhering to some of the older rules and flavor. You can have all the demons and devils you want. I prefer the Erinyes to remain the "Goddesses of Punishment" as they were in Greek mythology anyway, but that's just my personal opinion. The reshuffle you are mentioning means little, if anything, to me.</p><p></p><p>I welcome the eladrin. I've been playing the grey elves/high elves off as a much more magically inclined, fey-like breed anyway. The new edition makes that distinction clear and even. Same with drow (they've been apart from their elven cousins for so long, they're like a different species).</p><p></p><p>The new planar setup actually works better for my world. However, whatever planar set up you want will be fine. You don't need to adhere to the DMG completely. Dungeons & Dragons is about telling a good story with your friends, not all about those tiny rules that people for some reason cling to like some sort of holy grail. Sure, the rules on demons and devil are different for the core game: who cares? Do what you want! It's your world to play around in! You don't like not using the Great Wheel? Use the Great Wheel! You don't like the fact that wizards get at will spells? Um... have you read much good fantasy? A lot of mages have "at will" powers. If you don't like using tieflings as a core race, then don't use them. Monster stat blocks have been cropped, yes... but do you really want to know how many ranks in "Use Rope" a balor has?</p><p></p><p>4e may not be your father's so-called Oldsmobile, true, but here's the thing: My dad owned an Oldsmobile for a long time, and it looked horrible. It chugged gas, it was a long, troublesome ordeal to get anywhere, it leaked oil, it leaked coolant, and when I used to drive it to school, people would actually give me a hard time about it. The old editions could be seen as such. They have their own set of problems. Now, you're being given the chance to drive the new 2008 model, and there seem to be a lot of people saying "No, I liked driving the old clunker better." Bah!</p><p></p><p></p><p>As for the people who say things about how "4e is not 3e" or that "this edition was way better than this one" or whatever... Get over yourselves. No D&D book ever gets outmoded/outdated 100%. I still use the 2nd Edition Book of Artifacts in my 3.5 campaign. I still use 1st edition adventures when I'm feeling a little lazy and don't want to come up with my own. I've seen a ton of changes between all the editions, and have enjoyed each more than the last. I'm sure 4e will be even more fantastic, and with a little creative DM and player action, it'll be the most awesome D&D experience yet. Be creative, have some fun, play the game, give it a chance. You might have some fun by accident.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BBQ, post: 3856533, member: 56064"] I'm not new to the game. I've played through all the editions of the game. I've seen the good and the bad of all the editions. I always found that every edition has been better than the previous ones. So, here we go: Well, nothing's stopping you from adhering to some of the older rules and flavor. You can have all the demons and devils you want. I prefer the Erinyes to remain the "Goddesses of Punishment" as they were in Greek mythology anyway, but that's just my personal opinion. The reshuffle you are mentioning means little, if anything, to me. I welcome the eladrin. I've been playing the grey elves/high elves off as a much more magically inclined, fey-like breed anyway. The new edition makes that distinction clear and even. Same with drow (they've been apart from their elven cousins for so long, they're like a different species). The new planar setup actually works better for my world. However, whatever planar set up you want will be fine. You don't need to adhere to the DMG completely. Dungeons & Dragons is about telling a good story with your friends, not all about those tiny rules that people for some reason cling to like some sort of holy grail. Sure, the rules on demons and devil are different for the core game: who cares? Do what you want! It's your world to play around in! You don't like not using the Great Wheel? Use the Great Wheel! You don't like the fact that wizards get at will spells? Um... have you read much good fantasy? A lot of mages have "at will" powers. If you don't like using tieflings as a core race, then don't use them. Monster stat blocks have been cropped, yes... but do you really want to know how many ranks in "Use Rope" a balor has? 4e may not be your father's so-called Oldsmobile, true, but here's the thing: My dad owned an Oldsmobile for a long time, and it looked horrible. It chugged gas, it was a long, troublesome ordeal to get anywhere, it leaked oil, it leaked coolant, and when I used to drive it to school, people would actually give me a hard time about it. The old editions could be seen as such. They have their own set of problems. Now, you're being given the chance to drive the new 2008 model, and there seem to be a lot of people saying "No, I liked driving the old clunker better." Bah! As for the people who say things about how "4e is not 3e" or that "this edition was way better than this one" or whatever... Get over yourselves. No D&D book ever gets outmoded/outdated 100%. I still use the 2nd Edition Book of Artifacts in my 3.5 campaign. I still use 1st edition adventures when I'm feeling a little lazy and don't want to come up with my own. I've seen a ton of changes between all the editions, and have enjoyed each more than the last. I'm sure 4e will be even more fantastic, and with a little creative DM and player action, it'll be the most awesome D&D experience yet. Be creative, have some fun, play the game, give it a chance. You might have some fun by accident. [/QUOTE]
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