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<blockquote data-quote="The Little Raven" data-source="post: 3857196" data-attributes="member: 10095"><p>Things like Thac0, a negative Armor Class, percentile thief skills, no skills for anyone else, substandard character customization (nonweapon proficiencies... lol), dual-classing versus multi-classing, racial class limitations, racial level limitations... yeah, all were called integral parts of D&D by people taking your same position about 3e. Those people said 3e was no longer D&D because it killed too many sacred cows. Why is it that you're immediately right (3e is D&D) and they're immediately wrong (3e is not D&D)?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again with the misinformation.</p><p></p><p>1. Gnomes are in the Monster Manual 1, with a writeup in the "Monsters as Races" Appendix. So, that means *gasp* Gnome PCs.</p><p>2. You can run out of spells. Spells are your per-day resource as a wizard, with arcane strikes and power words being your at-will and per-encounter resources.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really. Look at the 2e core books. They used Bigby and Mordenkainen in spells and such, but all of the examples given in the book for character archetypes stemmed from medieval folklore, not D&D fantasy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I remember hearing this back in 2000 before 3e launched. It strikes me as wrong now just as it did then.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, since you made it clear that you already have the game you want, why would they want to market to you? Play your perfect D&D and be happy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Little Raven, post: 3857196, member: 10095"] Things like Thac0, a negative Armor Class, percentile thief skills, no skills for anyone else, substandard character customization (nonweapon proficiencies... lol), dual-classing versus multi-classing, racial class limitations, racial level limitations... yeah, all were called integral parts of D&D by people taking your same position about 3e. Those people said 3e was no longer D&D because it killed too many sacred cows. Why is it that you're immediately right (3e is D&D) and they're immediately wrong (3e is not D&D)? Again with the misinformation. 1. Gnomes are in the Monster Manual 1, with a writeup in the "Monsters as Races" Appendix. So, that means *gasp* Gnome PCs. 2. You can run out of spells. Spells are your per-day resource as a wizard, with arcane strikes and power words being your at-will and per-encounter resources. Not really. Look at the 2e core books. They used Bigby and Mordenkainen in spells and such, but all of the examples given in the book for character archetypes stemmed from medieval folklore, not D&D fantasy. I remember hearing this back in 2000 before 3e launched. It strikes me as wrong now just as it did then. Well, since you made it clear that you already have the game you want, why would they want to market to you? Play your perfect D&D and be happy. [/QUOTE]
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