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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BiggusGeekus@Work" data-source="post: 1053101" data-attributes="member: 7828">I'm going to have to come down on Psion's side.I like Ragnar's ideas, but how to incorporate them?  Playing devil's advocate.... * play important roles in a major war --- what war?  Do I have to introduce a war into the campaign now?  * get caught up in court intrigue --- that's a lot of NPCs I'll have to build or fit into my game all of the sudden* journey to exotic lands (eg, as ambassadors, or on a quest for a person/ thing)* go plane-hopping (shopping trip in Sigil! Undercover recon in the Demonweb Pits! Invade the Nine Hells with an army of paladins!)* defeat a powerful dragon --- I'd argue that these three are essentially the same as a dungeon crawl.  They do not effect The Kingdom in set-up or during play.  The consquences will be big, sure.  But in essence, there isn't any metagame difference between the elemental plane of fire and the caves of chaos from Keep on the Borderlands.* uncover a plot by an evil cult* have a recurring villian -- things that I'll have to put in my game, where were these guys for the last 10 levels?* get betrayed* get framed/ go outlaw/ clear their names -- OK now these two could concievably be put in a canned module* face their pasts  -- but this one sure couldn't* rescue a princess -- another NPC that the module writer would either have to hope is already in the DMs game or have suddenly appear out of nowhere.* avenge the death of a loved one -- I'm not sure how much impact this would have.  The DM would have to buy the module, see which one of the players had a loved one, and bump the NPC off.  Alternately, the DM would have to turn to a player and say "you have a beloved cousin, but now he's dead."* make important/powerful friends* get captured/ escape* protect a cute (or annoying) kid/ sidekick/ princess/ monster/ bard.  -- OK these three could work.  Watch it on the "get captured" one though.  All you need is a sorceror with teleport and the Eschew Materials feat and you have to do some heavy re-writing.* save the world -- could work.  Especially if the threat was from an extra-planer source.  But the "dungeon" would be the githyanki astral fortress or whatever.  Still a dungeon crawl.* visit home after becoming famous -- again, not in a canned module.  Where is home?  ... again, I like the ideas.  I just wouldn't know how to package them up and put them in a 32 page book that people would want to use in their games.</blockquote>

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