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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dax Doomslayer" data-source="post: 1344956" data-attributes="member: 7151"><p>I also find that the grapple rules are a pain and the way they are laid out even worse.  As for The Souljourner's comment as to natural attacks vs. BAB iterative attacks, I didn't notice that nor did I realize that natural attacks get a -4!!  I've got to go back and re-read that.  I understand this would be a lot of work, but I was wondering if someone could give a "dissertation" on the application of the whole grapple rules thing in a "blow by blow" order (also listing the caveats) to help out us newbies.  I know it would work wonders for me!  Is anyone up for the challenge?  Just wondering.  Thanks.</p></blockquote><p></p>