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<blockquote data-quote="Dragonblade" data-source="post: 4601592" data-attributes="member: 2804">Thinking about this some more, I could see why you find the binary save or die of 3e epic level combat as a solution to this. In such a system it doesn't matter whether you squeezed every +1 out of your feat and stat choices because you will either have some invincible defense like Mind Blank, or you won't and then its basically save or die. Die if you are making a save with a poor save like 3e fighters making Will saves, or save if you are making a save with a good save like Fort.But like I said before, I find such binary rock-paper-scissors combat completely unsatisfying. Since it renders much of the choice I made in building my character pointless. I either have the unbeatable defense, or I don't.Like Mike Mearls said in the Are 4e Monsters are Scary thread, I prefer the slow burn of 4e combat to the sudden shock of 3e combat. Especially, given the amount of time I put into characters, and also the time I take out of my life to attend games. I want to play the game if I go to my friend's house to play. Not sit out the rest of the night because I failed a single save, or didn't anticipate which monster we were facing and thus didn't prepare the ultimate defense spell and ended up dead/petrified/disintigrated or what have you in the first round of combat.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dragonblade, post: 4601592, member: 2804"] Thinking about this some more, I could see why you find the binary save or die of 3e epic level combat as a solution to this. In such a system it doesn't matter whether you squeezed every +1 out of your feat and stat choices because you will either have some invincible defense like Mind Blank, or you won't and then its basically save or die. Die if you are making a save with a poor save like 3e fighters making Will saves, or save if you are making a save with a good save like Fort. But like I said before, I find such binary rock-paper-scissors combat completely unsatisfying. Since it renders much of the choice I made in building my character pointless. I either have the unbeatable defense, or I don't. Like Mike Mearls said in the Are 4e Monsters are Scary thread, I prefer the slow burn of 4e combat to the sudden shock of 3e combat. Especially, given the amount of time I put into characters, and also the time I take out of my life to attend games. I want to play the game if I go to my friend's house to play. Not sit out the rest of the night because I failed a single save, or didn't anticipate which monster we were facing and thus didn't prepare the ultimate defense spell and ended up dead/petrified/disintigrated or what have you in the first round of combat. [/QUOTE]

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