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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dragonblade" data-source="post: 4602115" data-attributes="member: 2804">I don't think so. I think there are enough high level powers that grant various bonuses that the level 30 encounter isn't going to be decided by a single failed power. Even if LtA fails and the party in my example doesn't get to autohit every round, they are still going to hit nearly 50% of the time just on straight bonuses for being level 30, and will still have buffs from other powers. So instead of 4.5 rounds to take down Orcus, it now takes them 10. Again, the the 4e math still works.You know, I played some epic level 3e games and there were no fiddly knobs. If you played a caster or a cleric you had a number of trump card spells and buffs you could have going to protect you and your teammates from various effects. But anything you didn't have a trump card for pretty much came down to save or die, and you better hope its an attack against your good save. And ultimately, even having a spreadsheet full of buffs (literally!) precast wasn't much help when the first thing any enemy spellcaster did was drop Disjunction on you. Then you either had to Time Stop to get some of your buffs back, or drop a Disjunction right back, but then hope that without buffs you would survive the 2nd round.The last high level 3.5 combat I played in against enemy spellcasters resulted in one party member going permanently insane, one petrified, two planeshifted against their will (and they were warriors with no way of getting back), and two dead, all within 3 rounds of combat. One party member escaped, but he also was a warrior class with no method of retrieving our fallen characters, or rescuing those of us stranded on another plane. It was an anti-climactic end to our last 3.5 game and a campaign that had been going for 2 years. But it was the straw that broke the camel's back. Everyone sitting around the table pretty much looked at each other and said, "This game sucks."We went to 4e and so far its been a far more enjoyable gaming experience.</blockquote>

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