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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 3859806" data-attributes="member: 2205">You're missing the point.&nbsp; A tactical chess game with coins, dice, or whatever counters you happen to have handy is lame.&nbsp; Sure, it's cheap, but it sucks.Frankly, I'm not that much happier with minis either.Whoop-de-doo.&nbsp; I also left the game back in the early days because it sucked.&nbsp; Minis were a part of that.&nbsp; The way the rules just don't really work that well without a tactical representation of battle is not a feature IMO, it's a bug.&nbsp; It alienates all the people (like me) who simply don't like playing that way.&nbsp; As the game becomes more and more difficult to run without a battlemat, it becomes less and less attractive to me as a system of choice.&nbsp; That's the reason, pure and simple, to make the game able to work without minis.&nbsp; It opens up the game to all the buyers who don't want to play with minis.Minis as an optional add-on to add to the game of those who like it; nice.&nbsp; Great.&nbsp; More power to them.&nbsp; As you said, minis and D&amp;D have been together for a long time; I suspect that it'd hardly even dent the sales to make minis less integral to the rules, because it seems most players like 'em.&nbsp; But there's still a pretty sizable and significant minority who doesn't.&nbsp; IMO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 3859806, member: 2205"] You're missing the point. A tactical chess game with coins, dice, or whatever counters you happen to have handy is [b][i]lame[/i][/b]. Sure, it's cheap, but it sucks. Frankly, I'm not that much happier with minis either. Whoop-de-doo. I also left the game back in the early days because it sucked. Minis were a part of that. The way the rules just don't really work that well without a tactical representation of battle is [i]not[/i] a feature IMO, it's a bug. It alienates all the people (like me) who simply don't like playing that way. As the game becomes more and more difficult to run without a battlemat, it becomes less and less attractive to me as a system of choice. [i]That's[/i] the reason, pure and simple, to make the game able to work without minis. It opens up the game to all the buyers who don't want to play with minis. Minis as an optional add-on to add to the game of those who like it; nice. Great. More power to them. As you said, minis and D&D have been together for a long time; I suspect that it'd hardly even dent the sales to make minis less integral to the rules, because it seems most players like 'em. But there's still a pretty sizable and significant minority who doesn't. IMO. [/QUOTE]

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