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<blockquote data-quote="kibbitz" data-source="post: 423104" data-attributes="member: 3723"><p>Fair enough. Still, the adding of spells requires thought on the part of the DM as to game balance. I guess perhaps ConcreteBuddha doesn't feel this as being balanced? Not speaking on your behalf, just guessing. Anyone has balance issues regarding this spell?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, they work in a different way compared to WS, as you know. WS works against all enemies with a weapon of choice, FE works only against the enemy of choice. This means that FE has a chance of not coming into play, depending on how your DM structures the campaign. WS is almost assured.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Fighters have combat flexibility, Rangers have preset abilities which allow them to function better than Fighters under certain conditions. However, this is true for any other class, so I really don't see a point to this. Considering that a Fighter has that many more feats possible, there is no way that a Ranger can offer the exact amount and "quality" of "contribution" that a Fighter can in combat. By this, I don't mean they aren't effective combatants, just that it's only logical that they won't contribute the same effectiveness as fighters overall.</p><p></p><p>Should you wish to dispute this, let me point out that this is not considering the Ranger's arsenal of magic. This is from a purely feat/BAB/HP view, and the Ranger obviously has less feats. Take all the TWF bonuses built into the class, and take your pick of combat feats. Fighters can do the same, and will still have feats left over to do extra stuff.</p><p></p><p>As for the skills and spells, now that's a totally different kettle of fish. Not having played any 3E, I'm not really in a position to comment as to their effectiveness, but having more skill points to play with should be a very valuable advantage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kibbitz, post: 423104, member: 3723"] Fair enough. Still, the adding of spells requires thought on the part of the DM as to game balance. I guess perhaps ConcreteBuddha doesn't feel this as being balanced? Not speaking on your behalf, just guessing. Anyone has balance issues regarding this spell? Well, they work in a different way compared to WS, as you know. WS works against all enemies with a weapon of choice, FE works only against the enemy of choice. This means that FE has a chance of not coming into play, depending on how your DM structures the campaign. WS is almost assured. Fighters have combat flexibility, Rangers have preset abilities which allow them to function better than Fighters under certain conditions. However, this is true for any other class, so I really don't see a point to this. Considering that a Fighter has that many more feats possible, there is no way that a Ranger can offer the exact amount and "quality" of "contribution" that a Fighter can in combat. By this, I don't mean they aren't effective combatants, just that it's only logical that they won't contribute the same effectiveness as fighters overall. Should you wish to dispute this, let me point out that this is not considering the Ranger's arsenal of magic. This is from a purely feat/BAB/HP view, and the Ranger obviously has less feats. Take all the TWF bonuses built into the class, and take your pick of combat feats. Fighters can do the same, and will still have feats left over to do extra stuff. As for the skills and spells, now that's a totally different kettle of fish. Not having played any 3E, I'm not really in a position to comment as to their effectiveness, but having more skill points to play with should be a very valuable advantage. [/QUOTE]
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