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<blockquote data-quote="StGabriel" data-source="post: 423770" data-attributes="member: 8225">Rangers ... blahI once heard a discussion of Masters of the Wild point out quite succinctly why ranger's suck: there is NO reason not to take a prestige class with them.There are some almost useful spells in the ranger repertoire, yes, but you have to wait FOREVER to get them.&nbsp; And that's basically all you're getting.&nbsp; I mean, yay, yet another favored enemy that I'll see once every 5 adventures, if I'm lucky.The Monte ranger is WAY overpowered.&nbsp; I'd never let that get used in a campaign.&nbsp; It gets almost the same number of free feats as a fighter along with a ton of other free stuff and better saves.&nbsp; Monte has interesting ideas, and I think he was on to something with the need to change the ranger, but . . . he always seems to overpower things.&nbsp; I just got done reading through his prestige classes in Eldritch Magic II and I don't think a single one of them is terribly well balanced (maybe the diplomancer).Great.&nbsp; My ranger can cast nondetection, at the same time that the pure casters are getting their 8th level spells.&nbsp; Gee, I feel powerful.If nothing else, I think that the free ambidex and twf should be removed, and replaced by a free feat at level 2 and 4 (with or without armor restriction).&nbsp; Tracking stays as level 1.&nbsp; Then at least a ranger would be the same power-wise whether one decided to go with the two-weapon cliche or not.&nbsp; If rangers are underbalanced with two free feats, they are DEFINITELY underbalanced when they don't even use those two free feats.I personally think that bonus vs. monster types should go away.&nbsp; It's just too spotty of an ability.&nbsp; A ranger might dominate one adventure when his favored enemy is predominant and then suck the next three when he doesn't see another one.&nbsp; Terrain types is one interesting idea.&nbsp; I say though, give the ranger further bonuses to track, set snares, sniping, and other generic nature warrior type skills instead.&nbsp; If anything I'd like to see rangers as the guerilla warfare specialists of 3e not as specialists at killing X's, Y's and Z's, and casting low level druid magic while fighting only in one specific manner (twf) for no specific reason.---StGabriel, the Taoist saint.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StGabriel, post: 423770, member: 8225"] [b]Rangers ... blah[/b] I once heard a discussion of Masters of the Wild point out quite succinctly why ranger's suck: there is NO reason not to take a prestige class with them. There are some almost useful spells in the ranger repertoire, yes, but you have to wait FOREVER to get them. And that's basically all you're getting. I mean, yay, yet another favored enemy that I'll see once every 5 adventures, if I'm lucky. The Monte ranger is WAY overpowered. I'd never let that get used in a campaign. It gets almost the same number of free feats as a fighter along with a ton of other free stuff and better saves. Monte has interesting ideas, and I think he was on to something with the need to change the ranger, but . . . he always seems to overpower things. I just got done reading through his prestige classes in Eldritch Magic II and I don't think a single one of them is terribly well balanced (maybe the diplomancer). Great. My ranger can cast nondetection, at the same time that the pure casters are getting their 8th level spells. Gee, I feel powerful. If nothing else, I think that the free ambidex and twf should be removed, and replaced by a free feat at level 2 and 4 (with or without armor restriction). Tracking stays as level 1. Then at least a ranger would be the same power-wise whether one decided to go with the two-weapon cliche or not. If rangers are underbalanced with two free feats, they are DEFINITELY underbalanced when they don't even use those two free feats. I personally think that bonus vs. monster types should go away. It's just too spotty of an ability. A ranger might dominate one adventure when his favored enemy is predominant and then suck the next three when he doesn't see another one. Terrain types is one interesting idea. I say though, give the ranger further bonuses to track, set snares, sniping, and other generic nature warrior type skills instead. If anything I'd like to see rangers as the guerilla warfare specialists of 3e not as specialists at killing X's, Y's and Z's, and casting low level druid magic while fighting only in one specific manner (twf) for no specific reason. --- StGabriel, the Taoist saint. [/QUOTE]

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