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<blockquote data-quote="Kai Lord" data-source="post: 424227" data-attributes="member: 3570">Yes, but that wasn't the point.&nbsp; Someone asked why should anyone stick it out as a Ranger for 20 levels.&nbsp; If you're 20th level, you can probably conceive of playing at 23rd level.That is incorrect.&nbsp; Playing individually without a party is a completely credible way to play the game, to say nothing of the many times a full-on party will need someone to scout ahead or just take something out by himself.&nbsp; I've played in solo campains for many years, and often times my characters are surrounded by a small entourage of NPC's, but still end up doing a fair share of tasks by themselves.Face it, there are just going to be those times when you're going to need to split up to get the job done.&nbsp; It happens in almost every fantasy book and adventure.When I said PHB Ranger I was more referring to the Core Ranger as opposed to any alt.rangers or Monte's Ranger.&nbsp; The Core PHB Ranger has access to spells and feats from other WoTC products, and since that is how 99% of gamers play that is the position I began the discussion from.&nbsp; I don't know anyone that plays with only the first three books, and frankly am not interested in defending such a base version of any class.Just as Manyshot, Persistent Spell, Expert Tactician, and so on creep into most discussions about archers, clerics, rogues, and such the same holds true with the Ranger.From now on consider my position to be in defense of the Official WoTC Ranger.&nbsp; That includes Masters of the Wild feats and spells as well as those from Magic of Faerun.&nbsp; Homebrewed feats don't count, and neither do options from 3rd party d20 companies.&nbsp; The WoTC Ranger is a character affected by no house rules, and he's stealthier than a Rogue and can utterly smack down with a bow.&nbsp; Oh yeah, he can do other things too.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool&nbsp; &nbsp; :cool:"&nbsp; data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kai Lord, post: 424227, member: 3570"] Yes, but that wasn't the point. Someone asked why should anyone stick it out as a Ranger for 20 levels. If you're 20th level, you can probably conceive of playing at 23rd level. That is incorrect. Playing individually without a party is a completely credible way to play the game, to say nothing of the many times a full-on party will need someone to scout ahead or just take something out by himself. I've played in solo campains for many years, and often times my characters are surrounded by a small entourage of NPC's, but still end up doing a fair share of tasks by themselves. Face it, there are just going to be those times when you're going to need to split up to get the job done. It happens in almost every fantasy book and adventure. When I said PHB Ranger I was more referring to the Core Ranger as opposed to any alt.rangers or Monte's Ranger. The Core PHB Ranger has access to spells and feats from other WoTC products, and since that is how 99% of gamers play that is the position I began the discussion from. I don't know anyone that plays with only the first three books, and frankly am not interested in defending such a base version of [i]any[/i] class. Just as Manyshot, Persistent Spell, Expert Tactician, and so on creep into most discussions about archers, clerics, rogues, and such the same holds true with the Ranger. From now on consider my position to be in defense of the [b]Official WoTC Ranger.[/b] That includes Masters of the Wild feats and spells as well as those from Magic of Faerun. Homebrewed feats don't count, and neither do options from 3rd party d20 companies. The WoTC Ranger is a character affected by no house rules, and he's stealthier than a Rogue and can utterly smack [i]down[/i] with a bow. Oh yeah, he can do other things too. :cool: [/QUOTE]

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