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<blockquote data-quote="Psyduck" data-source="post: 426458" data-attributes="member: 2150">Yep, that's right......however...The class skills of the two differ greatly.&nbsp; Barbarians do have a nice amount of points, but they only have a few class skills that aids him in his signature (combat).&nbsp; The ranger's class skills all help him be a stalker, hunter, and kind of like a beastmaster.I've played both classes, and I think that the Ranger and Barbarian are quite equal in abilities.&nbsp; The barbarian's abilities are probably as equal to the ranger's.&nbsp; Anyone ever have someone take 1 level as a barbarian?&nbsp; I gamed in groups that do it all the time.&nbsp; barbarian1/fighter9 is currently in the group.&nbsp; They took the extra rage feat, and didn't lose much, but gained weapon specialization, extra feats, etc.&nbsp; Is there a reason to stay with a straight barbarian?&nbsp; If so, is it eaqualy to staying with straight ranger?Last thing I got to say that everyone forgets about (and really, it may not even be that important to this discussion) is that rangers do get improved twf at 9th level.&nbsp; Yes, it's spaced out, but maybe the problem is that it's spaced out too much.&nbsp; I'd say drop this virtual feat to level 6, and the ranger class would be better to everyone.&nbsp; Now there's an incentive to get to lv 6, since the ranger is the only one who can aquire that feat at that level. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />1 more thing about twf...most players who actually try to min/max this by taking 1 lv are restricting their fighter to light armor, making them need the same stats as a ranger anyway.&nbsp; Makes me laugh <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Psyduck, post: 426458, member: 2150"] Yep, that's right......however... The class skills of the two differ greatly. Barbarians do have a nice amount of points, but they only have a few class skills that aids him in his signature (combat). The ranger's class skills all help him be a stalker, hunter, and kind of like a beastmaster. I've played both classes, and I think that the Ranger and Barbarian are quite equal in abilities. The barbarian's abilities are probably as equal to the ranger's. Anyone ever have someone take 1 level as a barbarian? I gamed in groups that do it all the time. barbarian1/fighter9 is currently in the group. They took the extra rage feat, and didn't lose much, but gained weapon specialization, extra feats, etc. Is there a reason to stay with a straight barbarian? If so, is it eaqualy to staying with straight ranger? Last thing I got to say that everyone forgets about (and really, it may not even be that important to this discussion) is that rangers do get improved twf at 9th level. Yes, it's spaced out, but maybe the problem is that it's spaced out too much. I'd say drop this virtual feat to level 6, and the ranger class would be better to everyone. Now there's an incentive to get to lv 6, since the ranger is the only one who can aquire that feat at that level. :) 1 more thing about twf...most players who actually try to min/max this by taking 1 lv are restricting their fighter to light armor, making them need the same stats as a ranger anyway. Makes me laugh :) [/QUOTE]

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