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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wizardry" data-source="post: 427810" data-attributes="member: 8219">Re: Re: Re: RangersIn your experience, perhaps, but from what I've seen the complaints about the Ranger are more about their lack of flavor than any lack of power.  You seem to be complaining more about the flavor of the Ranger, here, given your "boring" statement.  I'd agree the Ranger lacks flavor, but it certainly isn't lacking in power.Okay, from what I've seen of your post, it seems like you or the Ranger player expected to be a "star" in some way or another.  In other words, you expected the Ranger to be a master combatant, or a great spell caster, and so on.  The key to the Ranger is that the Ranger, like the Bard or the Monk, is that the Ranger is a supporting class.  The Ranger can't fight quite as well as a Fighter or a Barbarian, but he's a great warrior nonetheless, and provides valuable support on the front lines.The Ranger can't cast as well as a Wizard, Cleric or even Bard, but he has great supplemental spells that will aid a party substantially, again providing extra bonuses that would not be present if the Ranger was not a part of the group.The Ranger can move silently and hide just as well, if not better, than a Rogue and given his great BAB, spells and HP, is arguably the best scout in the game.  Even if you don't want to use the Ranger in this role, the Ranger is still a great supporter of the Rogue or Monk scout up in front.  I can't tell you how valuable it really is to have two scouts covering each other in case of detection.The Ranger does all of the above extremely well, and when you combine them into one whole, they become one of the most powerful classes in the game.  The only time I've ever seen people have problems with Rangers is when they try to make them something they're not, and flat out ignore some of the abilities the Ranger has to offer in favor of one specific path.  Barbarians have Hide, Move Silently, and Spot?  Damn!  Thank you for informing me they possess three of the most valuable skills in the game.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />  By the way, the Ranger hardly has "ok" skills.  The Ranger has the third best skill list in the game, beaten only by Bards and Rogues.  The spells they have are great supplementary bonuses to have, and they have d10 hps and BAB.  If anything, the Ranger is one of the deepest core classes in the game.</blockquote>

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